JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

Never been into those BS slogans anyway. And the last time the Union officials tried to come around and tell people not to use 2 Powerstows it was not pretty at all.

They were run off like a pack of Wildebeests at a watering hole when the Crocodile tried to grab a leg.

A smart Union guy knows the fights to take on and the ones to steer clear of.

And using two PowerStow will cut another member of the crew, but we've established you're willing to accept that.

 

[NYer]

It's not about conceding, it's about the process and it's obvious the 2 unions didn't iron out much of anything before they agreed to this Association. The different parts of the 2 contracts were obvious and they just said screw it we'll work it out. Bad business. It even sounds like the company, despite saving some money on it possibly is getting tired of it.

Exactly.

 

[WeAAsles]

And using two PowerStow will cut another member of the crew, but we've established you're willing to accept that.

We don't need two Powerstows as we are given more than enough time to turn the trip with the one we have. As a matter of fact (gasp) sometimes if there's only a few bags in the back I'll go with the old loader and get them out by myself. And if it's less than 40 going out I'll also sometimes go with the old belt.



Holy crap I'm costing a job somewhere.

 

[Albert]

We don't need two Powerstows as we are given more than enough time to turn the trip with the one we have. As a matter of fact (gasp) sometimes if there's only a few bags in the back I'll go with the old loader and get them out by myself. And if it's less than 40 going out I'll also sometimes go with the old belt.



Holy crap I'm costing a job somewhere.

Again when it suits you

 

[NYer]

Again, while there is blame on the shoulders of the company, I agree with you, Talos, I think that AA is both surprised and frustrated with the lack of preparedness the Association has shown to date. While you, I and everyone else would like restore and more or the best of both contracts, I think it has become pretty obvious neither one of those were/are going to happen. Now we sit, no plan B from the Association. It's back to two separate unions looking out for their members and zero progress. Now you have your answer to the pathetic updates. A referee scorecard from the negotiations room between the IAM and TWU would probably be more informative. Isom was asked why they couldn't meet lock the door and not come out until something was reached, his comment was "it takes two to tango." When is a member or two or three of the Association going to attend these town halls and refute what the company is saying? When??

That is what the Members are feeling.

There has been good progress and good work done with some of the TA's they've reached, but the difficulty and challenges they had to overcome are not successfully shared, and at the end that will hurt the prospect of a JCBA getting the necessary votes it may need.

There would be much more support if there would be more information flowing to explain why this has taken such a long time to get to this point. That not being shared only invites Members to fill in the blanks and that will just grow the frustrations.

 

[NYer]

Wrong again.

I hated the Powerstow when it first came out and avoided it like the plague when one was put on my gate. Didn't start to use it till I had no choice anymore.

I used to go home often with my back and shoulders in pain buddy. No you couldn't get me 3 guys in the belly which is what I really needed sometimes. So along came Johnny Powerstow to my rescue.

My back and shoulders don't hurt anymore. And I use the thing now just like they show in the video when I get a HAV. The machine is spectacular sorry to tell you. AND anyway YOU are not and never will pay for my shoulder surgery that was absolutely coming down the road. Again Mr Crew Chief what do you care?

Have you EVER actually gone in a belly and used the thing? Bet I know the answer. BTW you touch my Powerstow and you'll really see what I can do when I go on the Warpath. Stay away from my Powerstow kapeesh.

An observation for you. It is unproductive to act like a tough guy, while at the same time complaining about shoulder pain. Tough guys don't hurt.

Anyway, the PowerStow is a nice piece of equipment but it is also replacing real people in real jobs. It is OK if you want to accept that, but others aren't.

 

[WeAAsles]

Again when it suits you

Of course. When I have a good Crew and a good CC and management isn't getting on my nerves I'm fine with putting in some extra effort.

And the raises yes did make me feel more appreciated too.

 

[WeAAsles]

An observation from you. It is unproductive to act like a tough guy, while at the same time complaining about shoulder pain. Tough guys don't hurt.

Anyway, the PowerStow is a nice piece of equipment but it is also replacing real people in real jobs. It is OK if you want to accept that, but others aren't.

And I've brought this up tons of times on Facebook as you know.

Good luck trying to find that solution to fight back the wave of technology.

Understanding the technology gives you more ammunition on how to make adjustments to it.

Not being a tough guy like you and just stamping your feet saying "I'm not going to use it or learn anything about it"

Very foolish.

And again the last time YOU were in a belly was when?

 

[NYer]

And I've brought this up tons of times on Facebook as you know.

Good luck trying to find that solution to fight back the wave of technology.

Understanding the technology gives you more ammunition on how to make adjustments to it.

Not being a tough guy like you and just stamping your feet saying "I'm not going to use it or learn anything about it"

Very foolish.

And again the last time YOU were in a belly was when?

We've learned many things about it. Such as when they were presented to us, we asked if this would cost us jobs. The answer was no.

Quite obviously, that turned out to be false. Now we advised against using two PowerStow on the gates to avoid getting more and cutting, even more, positions from the line crews. You seem to disagree with that and are willing to trade jobs for equipment.

That's your choice.

Sometimes you should read and reflect on what you write because you take some very curious positions just for the sake of going against anything I post.

Your bromance obsession is so obvious and it hurts your credibility.

 

[WeAAsles]

We've learned many things about it. Such as when they were presented to us, we asked if this would cost us jobs. The answer was no.

Quite obviously, that turned out to be false. Now we advised against using two PowerStow on the gates to avoid getting more and cutting, even more, positions from the line crews. You seem to disagree with that and are willing to trade jobs for equipment.

That's your choice.

Sometimes you should read and reflect on what you write because you take some very curious positions just for the sake of going against anything I post.

Your bromance obsession is so obvious and it hurts your credibility.

NYer where was your concern when the sliding carpets were put in? What year was that?

You don't think that when they took them out finally that it might be only a transitionary period before they found a technology to replace them?

The gate crew count went up when the carpets were gone and it's now back down to where it was when we had the carpets.

And they are not going to put two stows on a gate. As a matter of fact I heard they may discontinue ordering them period systemwide.

So maybe you have your wish fulfilled? Back to the wonderful days of shoulder and back injuries. Woo Hoo, fun times.

Again when was the last time YOU were in a belly? Is this a difficult question for you to recall an answer on?

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW NYer again to at least for now set you straight on something you absolutely know. We did NOT lose ANY jobs here in MIA. We lost some job functions but gained functions in other areas.

As a matter of fact MIA has been growing like crazy.

Your Bromance with me seems to cloud your mind in forgetting about the numbers in your own city. Wow is that one hell of an obsession you have if it's making you have early signs of Alzheimer's.

 

[P. REZ]

Al did you pick up on the guy who was talking about trust since 2003? To a lot of us who went through that nightmare we just want to come out of the clouds and "try" to trust this management team.

That's why we don't see eye to eye with that US mechanic. Yea HE (You) are there now. WE want to get there. And it is very frustrating waiting especially thinking it could also be your guys holding us back from it.

Sorry P. Rez and Charlie Brown but there are a lot of TWU guys feeling that way.

WeAAsles,

This negotiations has been like any other with regards to the need to fight for every little thing. I can only speak for Fleet, but we are generally all on the same page. I don't hear anything different on the MX side. I watched the ORD town hall and have to call BS on Isom. Do we have a long wish list, yes!! Are any of us acting foolish and hindering the process or dragging our feet, NO!! We are doing what we put out to do, bring an industry leading contract to the membership. Go find any town hall in the past many months and tell me one time Parker, Isom, etc. have said industry leading contract. They haven't, what they've said is industry leading pay. That is all anyone needs to hear to understand what is going on in our negotiations. They want to give the highest wage, until someone leap frog's us, and maybe average everything else. They want to talk a good game in town halls but they fall short in the negotiating room. Does that mean we can't get where we need to be, NO. But it isn't going to be easy, never has under Parker. My two cents.

P. Rez

 

[AANOTOK]

I'll ask you now, why are you or any of your (or the TWU) regime not lining the walls or sitting first row and calling these guys out when they lie in the town halls. They Mechanics/members tried doing just that, but I didn't see one of you back any of them up.

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles,

This negotiations has been like any other with regards to the need to fight for every little thing. I can only speak for Fleet, but we are generally all on the same page. I don't hear anything different on the MX side. I watched the ORD town hall and have to call BS on Isom. Do we have a long wish list, yes!! Are any of us acting foolish and hindering the process or dragging our feet, NO!! We are doing what we put out to do, bring an industry leading contract to the membership. Go find any town hall in the past many months and tell me one time Parker, Isom, etc. have said industry leading contract. They haven't, what they've said is industry leading pay. That is all anyone needs to hear to understand what is going on in our negotiations. They want to give the highest wage, until someone leap frog's us, and maybe average everything else. They want to talk a good game in town halls but they fall short in the negotiating room. Does that mean we can't get where we need to be, NO. But it isn't going to be easy, never has under Parker. My two cents.

P. Rez

Rez thanks for the response and glad to see you pop in.

The fact is though that I have to (gulp) agree with NYer and NOTOK. You guys have got to start putting a little more meat on the bone to those updates then. We get dribbles and drabs from here and there through the weeds but it's not enough when you got Isom and Parker traipsing around the system planting seeds of problems with you guys and making themselves try to sound like the innocent Schoolboy who didn't dip the pigtails in the inkwell.

And I know that you can't have any control over this but I'd like it if you could explain to your members how we feel about things just a little. I know you guys had an even tougher ride on things over the years than we did but we had our own pains and they're not any less damaging psychologically.

I think that one mechanic did a GREAT job in trying to explain that to Isom.

Gary Peterson does some great video updates to his members. Hint, hint all of you Negotiators in Unity?

 

[pjirish317]

Al our Medical is only going to cost you a lousy $40.00 more per month. Hell that won't even dip in to half of your monthly pay if we get another buck an hour.

You don't give an RA about the Medical. All you care about is keeping that rotation vote off your back as long as possible.

And remember before we got the money you were driving me nuts on here with the rush rush rush the Union sux routine. (What changed for you Al? Did you have a sudden epiphany?)

Weez,

I asked this a while ago, but I'll ask again. If I pay roughly $100 a month in medical for my Family, you're saying that I will pay $140 a month under the AA plan for family coverage? I would like to see all the plans that AA had available last open enrollment. And jusy FYI, we at LUS are trying to get back all we had to give from 2 Bankruptcies.