JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Incorrect. Read the UAL agreement for Fleet on that. They do much of their commuter work.

For someone who supposedly put me on ignore you sure are doing a lot of disagreeing.

Four times in one day.

 

[Albert]

I agree with you that the best of both should be the goal. I still think it will take quite some time to get a deal. The different ways the 2 companies screwed their employees is now biting them in the ass with the merger.

Talos it will go fast if Sito tries to fast-track it and comes back with something the negotiators would never agree to. If the company would give us the September raise now plus a bit more for a total of(3%) you would see a marginal contract pass

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez I agree we will probably end up with AA plan. By your calculations that means 4000 LUS will be "giving back" a benefit getting worse terms, what will the LAA be giving back? Not to mention the literal 100s of millions that will be put into your frozen pension. Does AA use that money when they are figuring employee compensation cause I'm not going to see a penny, maybe they should set up an account for LUS and put in the same money they are giving your group, that sounds fair

Al. That Pension funding continuation is a Legal requirement that is separate from any JCBA we get. That was money that was earned prior to the merger.

And as far as the idea of giving back you seem to be forgetting that since this merger was announced I think you have gone up in wages by at least $10.00 per hour and almost $11.00 per hour if I'm correct?

$10.00 equals $1600.00 per month or $19.200 per year.

Say the Family guy was in our medical right now. What exactly is the cost difference out of pocket monthly between your medical and ours if you were on our middle plan?

Our middle plan is $318.00 per month.

 

[Albert]

Al. That Pension funding continuation is a Legal requirement that is separate from any JCBA we get. That was money that was earned prior to the merger.

And as far as the idea of giving back you seem to be forgetting that since this merger was announced I think you have gone up in wages by at least $10.00 per hour and almost $11.00 per hour if I'm correct?

$10.00 equals $1600.00 per month or $19.200 per year.

Say the Family guy was in our medical right now. What exactly is the cost difference out of pocket monthly between your medical and ours if you were on our middle plan?

Our middle plan is $318.00 per month.

No, maybe they can terminate it like mine was terminated. Weez stop bringing up what we gained you gained too, bottom line we will be going into the inferior AA plan which is equal to a give back. What will LAA be giving back? I get paid bi-weekly and have the best plan it is $87.55 I'm looking at my check now.

 

[Albert]

Many would follow.

The LAA side needs to understand there is little incentive for the LUS side to accept anything with a cut to their medical. If the roles were reversed, we would make a similar choice.

When that medical goes away, it will probably need to be bought. It will be a delicate balance of LUS getting value while not feeling others are receiving a higher value but not giving up such an advantageous contractual benefit.

Someone gets it

 

[WeAAsles]

No, maybe they can terminate it like mine was terminated. Weez stop bringing up what we gained you gained too, bottom line we will be going into the inferior AA plan which is equal to a give back. What will LAA be giving back? I get paid bi-weekly and have the best plan it is $87.55 I'm looking at my check now.

Al it's only a giveback if you look at it as a completely separate item from the ENTIRE JCBA. And part of that JCBA absolutely is the $6.07 per hour that we ALL got early.

Do you know that right now on your medical you're actually paying more than I do monthly. Yes I took the middle plan which I can guarantee has higher out of pocket costs but again if I took the best plan we had like you I would be paying $40.00 more than you do right now.

To me (And you) if Nelson wound up being correct on the retirement piece our gains are going to be much more than that $40.00 per month loss.

And I'm sorry that yours was terminated and put on the PBGC but the old AA was forced to continue with that funding shortfall liability and by agreeing to the merger the new AA also took on all the outstanding liabilities on the books for both airlines not done away with by the courts.

That includes secured creditors, leaseholder and bond holders as well.

 

[Albert]

Al it's only a giveback if you look at it as a completely separate item from the ENTIRE JCBA. And part of that JCBA absolutely is the $6.07 per hour that we ALL got early.

Do you know that right now on your medical you're actually paying more than I do monthly. Yes I took the middle plan which I can guarantee has higher out of pocket costs but again if I took the best plan we had like you I would be paying $40.00 more than you do right now.

To me (And you) if Nelson wound up being correct on the retirement piece our gains are going to be much more than that $40.00 per month loss.

And I'm sorry that yours was terminated and put on the PBGC but the old AA was forced to continue with that funding shortfall liability and by agreeing to the merger the new AA also took on all the outstanding liabilities on the books for both airlines not done away with by the courts.

That includes secured creditors, leaseholder and bond holders as well.

I followed the merger and am aware of AA's pension obligations I still feel it's a benefit you are getting and I'm not. I've also been around long enough to know it is tough chit and something I must live with but if the nit pickers are going to pick so am I

 

[Albert]

Al it's only a giveback if you look at it as a completely separate item from the ENTIRE JCBA. And part of that JCBA absolutely is the $6.07 per hour that we ALL got early.

Do you know that right now on your medical you're actually paying more than I do monthly. Yes I took the middle plan which I can guarantee has higher out of pocket costs but again if I took the best plan we had like you I would be paying $40.00 more than you do right now.

To me (And you) if Nelson wound up being correct on the retirement piece our gains are going to be much more than that $40.00 per month loss.

And I'm sorry that yours was terminated and put on the PBGC but the old AA was forced to continue with that funding shortfall liability and by agreeing to the merger the new AA also took on all the outstanding liabilities on the books for both airlines not done away with by the courts.

That includes secured creditors, leaseholder and bond holders as well.

It's not the $40 we were also told the plan is inferior

 

[WeAAsles]

Someone gets it

Al to tell you the truth and I'm only being the messenger here so shooting me doesn't change the message.

On the TWU side I don't know one person I work with who knows even a little bit about these negotiations that doesn't believe the IAM side has been stalling the talks because of that medical.

They believe you guys wouldn't care if this was stalled all the way until we start Section 6 talks at the end of 2018 if there was going to be any changes to that Medical of yours. These are guys with 20 years or more that I talk to here and in other Stations as well.

And I'll be honest and say that if I was a FT IAM guy with a Family under that Medical plan already having all that I have and in my mind thinking maybe what comes out will not be as much of a benefit over that, I would want my Negotiators to stall the TWU side at least till next year and maybe longer as well. I wouldn't want my medical costs to go up when I already have the money either.

 

[WeAAsles]

I followed the merger and am aware of AA's pension obligations I still feel it's a benefit you are getting and I'm not. I've also been around long enough to know it is tough chit and something I must live with but if the nit pickers are going to pick so am I

I actually like when you converse like this. Wish you would do it more often.

Absolutely understand the nit picking too BTW.

 

[Talos]

Al. That Pension funding continuation is a Legal requirement that is separate from any JCBA we get. That was money that was earned prior to the merger.

And as far as the idea of giving back you seem to be forgetting that since this merger was announced I think you have gone up in wages by at least $10.00 per hour and almost $11.00 per hour if I'm correct?

$10.00 equals $1600.00 per month or $19.200 per year.

Say the Family guy was in our medical right now. What exactly is the cost difference out of pocket monthly between your medical and ours if you were on our middle plan?

Our middle plan is $318.00 per month.

WeeAAsles, I don't really know the prices and coverage of the LUS medical, but if they get put in our plan that's a serious give back to the company. Some other form of compensation would be in order if they tried that. That's a tough pill to swallow as it's basically a pay cut. Any kind of pay cut is out of order with the money they are making. This is why I think a contract will take quite a bit of time.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's not the $40 we were also told the plan is inferior

If you go out of Network I'm sure it is. But you heard from me and AANOTOK yesterday and I know tons of guys who've had surgeries and have heard very little complaints on out of pocket costs.

Just had a CSM pass me while typing this. I asked him about his recent Gallbladder surgery. He has our top medical plan. He had a deductible of $1200.00 that he had already met before the surgery and his surgery cost him zero including the cost for the ambulance.

 

[Albert]

Al to tell you the truth and I'm only being the messenger here so shooting me doesn't change the message.

On the TWU side I don't know one person I work with who knows even a little bit about these negotiations that doesn't believe the IAM side has been stalling the talks because of that medical.

They believe you guys wouldn't care if this was stalled all the way until we start Section 6 talks at the end of 2018 if there was going to be any changes to that Medical of yours. These are guys with 20 years or more that I talk to here and in other Stations as well.

And I'll be honest and say that if I was a FT IAM guy with a Family under that Medical plan already having all that I have and in my mind thinking maybe what comes out will not be as much of a benefit over that, I would want my Negotiators to stall the TWU side at least till next year and maybe longer as well. I wouldn't want my medical costs to go up when I already have the money either.

Weez honestly and don't bring up the social justice of the displaced commuters what do you and the 20 year guys think they are going to get in this contract? A couple of more holidays what? While most people at LAA on here are affable I don't get the same body language from the bus stops and terminal so maybe they are not as much in a rush to co- mingle as you are

 

[WeAAsles]

WeeAAsles, I don't really know the prices and coverage of the LUS medical, but if they get put in our plan that's a serious give back to the company. Some other form of compensation would be in order if they tried that. That's a tough pill to swallow as it's basically a pay cut. Any kind of pay cut is out of order with the money they are making. This is why I think a contract will take quite a bit of time.

Depends on if let's say since we're having the conversation what Nelson says is true? Stranger things have happened? Plus you have to ask yourself why are the Leaders joining in on the talks?

Was there more to us gaining our raises prior to having a vote on a JCBA? Does that raise even matter at all again in your mind? It's still NOT in our contract.

Did they make an agreement for a timeline to be finished with the talks? I highly doubt it would have been a Legal agreement but could it have been a Gentlemens agreement? Do the Leaders believe there have been stalls going on and who do they believe has been doing the majority of stalling?

Lots of unanswered questions?

 

[Albert]

Depends on if let's say since we're having the conversation what Nelson says is true? Stranger things have happened? Plus you have to ask yourself why are the Leaders joining in on the talks?

Was there more to us gaining our raises prior to having a vote on a JCBA? Does that raise even matter at all again in your mind? It's still NOT in our contract.

Did they make an agreement for a timeline to be finished with the talks? I highly doubt it would have been a Legal agreement but could it have been a Gentlemens agreement? Do the Leaders believe there have been stalls going on and who do they believe has been doing the majority of stalling?

Lots of unanswered questions?

As NYer stated your side would be doing the stalling if situation was reversed. If that is what is really happening. No I am not hearing anything negative about the AA medical plan from my Customer service friends