JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

Well golly gee whiz Aunt Bee. Uncle Ned claimed the fishing hole was closed and the fish had all died from the water turning acidic because the volcano had become active again?

Aunt Bee why did they let Uncle Ned out of the Funny Farm after he frightened all those little children last Halloween with a Hockey mask and machete?

Ole Ned da man. That said, for the first time in 32 years I don't have to complain about management not currently providing a fair agreement. Thankful that our CEO Parker has listened to our people more than any other CEO has in my work career.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ole Ned da man. That said, for the first time in 32 years I don't have to complain about management not currently providing a fair agreement. Thankful that our CEO Parker has listened to our people more than any other CEO has in my work career.

I want to thank you for calling him directly and getting this done for us Tim. Without your intervention I'm afraid those dolts would have had us sliding on ice till porkers flew. I think members Nationwide should start a petition to get you on the team and in those rooms? Maybe USA Today ads if they don't give in and relent?

I think your particular brand of whoop arse could serve us all well at locking this shite up so we can pack papers and call it a day? What a waste letting you linger in that ORD Bagroom getting dust in your hair and dirt under your fingernails. There stifling those creative juices of yours that would be better served letting you puff your chest at those management lapdogs.

They have great fear of you Tim, great fear.

Every time I think of you Tim. This scene comes to my mind. You could be our Associations Patton.

http://youtu.be/nN1oTf7Lsl0

 

[WeAAsles]

Association Leaders, Negotiators and Members. I can say with 100% confidence and sincerity that if we were to let Tim get in the game it would end like this scene from this great film.

We just have to believe and dream it.

http://youtu.be/i94ldGNNSQ0

 

[jd630000]

Actually, the one reason for me personally that i would want a contract sooner would be if i knew there would a buyout of some sort.....but i havent heard anything about that...pay me to go away and i will..

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually, the one reason for me personally that i would want a contract sooner would be if i knew there would a buyout of some sort.....but i havent heard anything about that...pay me to go away and i will..

An eventual buyout makes a lot of sense financially. At $13 an hour starting rate and an 11 year (If that sticks) Payscale progression, keeping older people who make $63,000 and use the medical benefits more has to give the company thought?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I can say I have been promoted 3 times since I started and gotten several dollars in pay raises based on merit? Can you?
 
Didn't think so.

Yes.

Not in a UNION based shop you didn't.
 
Because in that environment knowledge, ability, and productivity matter not.
 
The only thing that matters is your start date.
 
No matter how much you learn or how hard you work your whole career is going to be ruled by your start date.
 

As can I.  I'd been on a corporate fast-track once before and literally started at the bottom (of a warehouse floor) and worked my way into my own office, with a cute title, on the other side of the country in a relatively short time and at a young age.  I got there because I busted my a**, never said no, and did whatever it took to get the job done.  (Never saw necessary to hold it over anyone else though...)
 
I mean, as long as they actually are merit based, because what I've noticed from my past and present employers is that oftentimes promotions go to the most conniving and well-connected instead of to the most capable or deserving.

So you got your promotions by working hard but other people (oftentimes) got theirs from conniving and being well connected.
 
Well I am about to say something that is going to shock you...... your right. I agree that does happen.
 
I don't think it happens nearly as often as you imply (oftentimes).
 
In my 23 years of employment I have only seen that happen 3 times. Two of those times were in family owned businesses.
 

I really like this job, and I derive all kinds of value out of it that has nothing to do with "merit-based promotions and raises"; it's given me many opportunities to grow as a person and develop skills that don't include me immediately whoring them out to an employer for a raise or title change as you seem to imply any good American should.

So you don't feel you have an obligation to leverage your skill and experience (gained on the job) for your employers benefit?
 
What do you think they are PAYING you for?
 

I will sincerely say I'm glad it's worked out for you, but what I don't understand why it's so important for you to come here and try to guilt trip people for getting paid more and try to shame them for their relationship with labor,

I am not trying to guilt anyone.
 
I simply don't understand how an employee feels justified demanding more and more when they have invested NOTHING to increase their value over decades of employment.
 
I know many on here won't comprehend this but (in my opinion) you don't deserve a raise simply because you exist and happen to belong to a UNION. 
 

the only logical explanation I can think of is the distress it's causing you that so many thousands of people have been so undeservedly placed closer to the pay scale you'd picked yourself up by your bootstraps to attain.

Distress?
 
Hardly.
 
I left that environment of my own free will. 
 
The only distress I ever felt was putting up with people that showed up for a "free check".  The very same people who believe they are entitled to do so simply because they exist and have a seniority date. Usually while spewing UNION propaganda.
 
I might change my perspective if you can explain why you feel an employee who took a non skilled entry level job with no real qualification requirements and a short training period, made a career out of it, is paid mid 20's per hour with full benefits, is entitled to demand more pay and benefits.
 
I mean when you get down to it that is really what this whole thread is about. You have a group of people that feel entitled to better pay and benefits simply because they exist and have UNION membership.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not in a UNION based shop you didn't.
 
Because in that environment knowledge, ability, and productivity matter not.
 
The only thing that matters is your start date.
 
No matter how much you learn or how hard you work your whole career is going to be ruled by your start date.
 

So you got your promotions by working hard but other people (oftentimes) got theirs from conniving and being well connected.
 
Well I am about to say something that is going to shock you...... your right. I agree that does happen.
 
I don't think it happens nearly as often as you imply (oftentimes).
 
In my 23 years of employment I have only seen that happen 3 times. Two of those times were in family owned businesses.
 

So you don't feel you have an obligation to leverage your skill and experience (gained on the job) for your employers benefit?
 
What do you think they are PAYING you for?
 

I am not trying to guilt anyone.
 
I simply don't understand how an employee feels justified demanding more and more when they have invested NOTHING to increase their value over decades of employment.
 
I know many on here won't comprehend this but (in my opinion) you don't deserve a raise simply because you exist and happen to belong to a UNION. 
 

Distress?
 
Hardly.
 
I left that environment of my own free will. 
 
The only distress I ever felt was putting up with people that showed up for a "free check".  The very same people who believe they are entitled to do so simply because they exist and have a seniority date. Usually while spewing UNION propaganda.
 
I might change my perspective if you can explain why you feel an employee who took a non skilled entry level job with no real qualification requirements and a short training period, made a career out of it, is paid mid 20's per hour with full benefits, is entitled to demand more pay and benefits.
 
I mean when you get down to it that is really what this whole thread is about. You have a group of people that feel entitled to better pay and benefits simply because they exist and have UNION membership.

Wow what a putz. You're actually looking to (guilt) us because (you) think we're overpaid? Who are you, you clown? Maybe you can't see that not one of us give a damn what (you) think. And not one of us who actually still works for the airline (you don't) are going to fall in line with your STUPID way of thinking.

It's like you're trying to say I should tell my company that I don't like the fact they're paying me good and should find a way to give it back? You're an insulting idiot.

With the way you think I'm glad you made a stupid move with AA and got your arse booted out. I hope (you) never get the opportunity to come back and I hope even more that my yes vote in 03 was directly responsible for you getting booted. Someone like you in our ranks would be nothing more than a cancer trying to convince us to lower our expectations so everyone else can benefit off our backs. Yea right. Again what a STUPID way of thinking you're insane enough to actually try to be selling to us.

And again. I'm making $30.17 per hour not mid 20's. For whatever weird reason that bothers you I'm as happy as a pig in crap about it. I hope it keeps you awake at night.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Association Leaders, Negotiators and Members. I can say with 100% confidence and sincerity that if we were to let Tim get in the game it would end like this scene from this great film.
We just have to believe and dream it.
http://youtu.be/i94ldGNNSQ0

Why do u keep presuming i want in the game? I was in the game and had some goals i accomplished but im much more comfortable on the sidelines and supporting and giving new people a chance to serve the members. Its a sacrifice when one serves the members and quite taxing, although rewarding helping people but i found that i can have the best of both by enjoying my personal life and also serving the members through strategic social media campaigns as well.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

 
In fairness, we ALL get to benefit from his petulant, boringly self-righteous moralistic grandstanding.
 
Which reminds me, where's 700 these days?

 
He realized that he lost his job as forum moderator to WeAAsles.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW to the Fa La La troll.

Chew on this.

I make a BASE rate now of $62,700 per year. (Not a Crew Chief)

I'm thinking starting next year of doing 4 hours of OT per pay period and 1 day off per month. That will add an extra $8,600 to my pay

And if I become a Crew Chief I can add in an extra $4,300.

For a GRAND total if I don't CS off any days of $75,000 for the year.

Again I REALLY hope that bother you BIG time.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
He realized that he lost his job as forum moderator to WeAAsles.

Far from being or wanting to be a moderator. But I will call out some putz who doesn't even work with us anymore because HE screwed up trying to tell me or us that we should feel guilty about what we are now getting paid.

He's nothing more than a jealous A- Hole.

 

[Kev3188]

An eventual buyout makes a lot of sense financially. At $13 an hour starting rate and an 11 year (If that sticks) Payscale progression, keeping older people who make $63,000 and use the medical benefits more has to give the company thought?

It makes a ton of sense, and if done right, can be win-win for labor and capital both.

The biggest risk is losing too much institutional knowledge too fast...

 

[WeAAsles]

It makes a ton of sense, and if done right, can be win-win for labor and capital both.The biggest risk is losing too much institutional knowledge too fast...

Some of those guys aren't passing down their knowledge like they used to anyway. That's a sad thing. They look at this next generation with their eyes glued to their phones and paint a picture of them as all being lazy and entitled. Some are yes, but all no.

Anyways there are more than enough of us out there in our late 40's early 50's that aren't going to take a buyout to keep the place running very smoothly. And honestly if the guys above me clear out some I'll jump into their spots in a Crew Chief role finally. I'm not taking it until I can get consistent good shifts and days off.

 

[WeAAsles]

Why do u keep presuming i want in the game? I was in the game and had some goals i accomplished but im much more comfortable on the sidelines and supporting and giving new people a chance to serve the members. Its a sacrifice when one serves the members and quite taxing, although rewarding helping people but i found that i can have the best of both by enjoying my personal life and also serving the members through strategic social media campaigns as well.

I can picture you now strategizing with your RISK board changing the names of Countries to particular FB Group pages. Do you have one of those little sticks to move the flags around?

 

[Worldport]

Association Leaders, Negotiators and Members. I can say with 100% confidence and sincerity that if we were to let Tim get in the game it would end like this scene from this great film.

We just have to believe and dream it.

http://youtu.be/i94ldGNNSQ0

Maybe you should have the clip of Babe Ruth calling his home run shot instead after all Tim did call the raise. How could you not come back with something witty after Tim said he jumped into 5 feet of water Call it greed or whatever you want Tim is correct  I'm in no rush for a joint contract not at all