JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Docker]

 
Don't forget to add, if they change the swap policy to the way we do it, call in sick for a swap, forget to show up, or miss the swap in any way, it's bye... bye swaps.  No excuses.  Strictly enforced.

You can call in sick and use up 2 sick days, you just need a doctors note.

 

[conehead777]

Big surprise. Looks like a whole lot of nothing from the latest update. http://www.usaamerger.com/2016/05/13/association-american-negotiations-continue-in-washington-dc/

another sorry update. Why not tell is the sticking point on the shift swap. Plus no update on the pay are benefit items

 

[700UW]

They haven't gotten to pay, benefits nor scope yet.

 

[lpbrian]

I hate unions. I hate contractual language. I hate socialism. I hate bidding. I hate seniority. I hate the entitlement mentality.

 

[DallasConehead]

I hate unions. I hate contractual language. I hate socialism. I hate bidding. I hate seniority. I hate the entitlement mentality.

Well,, I hate to say it, but ...........

 

[bigjets]

They haven't gotten to pay, benefits nor scope yet.

These issues will be the sticking points.

USair : 100% line Maint , 50% OH outsourced
AA : 35% total outsourcing

USair : employee pays 7% for health insurance
AA: employee pays 20% for health insurance.

I think hourly wage will be easy, unfortunately I don't think Ass. will fight for shift diff being paid as a percentage. There must not be anything in it for Union to get that.

I like the fact that CS policy is in contact, we will never have to worry about a station manager deciding one day to change policy because they can.

 

[chilokie1]

By the way, the stock clerk starts his shift one hour before the AMTs in the shop and gets off one hour before they do.  Figure that out and if that makes sense to you then you could be a manager in the Turbine Building in Tulsa.

 
Yes I know,  they told us they are thinking of changing our shifts to coincide with stores. Sounds like the 
Obama method to me, screw the majority to appease the........hmmmm.........non majority. 

 

[chilokie1]

They haven't gotten to pay, benefits nor scope yet.

 
Your point is?

 

[bigjets]

I have been hearing a lot of rumors in the breakroom about ORD losing some international flying because of reliability issues at ORD with the wide body's. Of course some of the loudest voices say AA couldn't do that because Chicago is so important.

My thought on this is, AA operates hub and spoke system, instead of connecting pax to ORD, what's to stop AA from connecting pax to STL then to LHR. After all that's what TWA use to fly until 1992 when they sold routes to AA, and AA moved flights to ORD. I'm sure STL would love the business, and I would be willing to bet it's cheaper to operate out of STL then ORD.

 

[bigjets]

Just like in dfw, mechs thought they couldn't lose work, "we're dfw" now all of a sudden the OH base DWH is working OTS aircraft that would normally be worked on at dfw hangar.

 

[bigjets]

The guys that hate these posts are the same guys that thought, if we vote down the 2010 TA, AA HAS to give us something better. 6 years later and After losing out on $60k cash, VC time, sick time, etc etc we gave up pension and retiree medical and got nothing for it. Listen to me, I'll give it to you straight as opposed to the loud mouths who will tell you what you want to hear, but yet are always wrong.

 

[FWAAA]

I have been hearing a lot of rumors in the breakroom about ORD losing some international flying because of reliability issues at ORD with the wide body's. Of course some of the loudest voices say AA couldn't do that because Chicago is so important.

Zero chance of AA cutting international flying from ORD because of the mechanics. If AA reduces ORD flights to Asia or Europe, it will be because of the stagnant CHI economy, a near-breakdown in law and order among the law enforcement community and better opportunities for AA elsewhere.

It's possible that AA moves B checks to another city, but that's not the same as slashing international routes.

My thought on this is, AA operates hub and spoke system, instead of connecting pax to ORD, what's to stop AA from connecting pax to STL then to LHR. After all that's what TWA use to fly until 1992 when they sold routes to AA, and AA moved flights to ORD. I'm sure STL would love the business, and I would be willing to bet it's cheaper to operate out of STL then ORD.

It's more likely that STL closes completely and loses all air service than AA moving its ORD hub to STL. STL is a declining, sad city much like PIT was 30 years ago. O&D to LHR is practically non-existent compared to ORD. Similarly, PHX will never be a major TPAC gateway; the O&D is at much larger LAX.

Internet know-it-alls have repeatedly claimed that Parker will abandon ORD and surrender the market to UA, which is possible, but very unlikely. That would enable UA to build up to a ATL-sized operation at ORD. I suspect that the government would not let UA take over the AA real estate at ORD if AA abandoned it. Probably see a lot more LCCs and ULLCs at ORD instead.

Anyway, AA isn't going to build a hub at STL and reduce ORD. Anybody selling that fairy tale to co-workers should face a random drug test.

 

[Buck]

Is there any reason why the policies on the Line, :  CS, Shift picks, VC pick etc. have to match that of Overhaul?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Is there any reason why the policies on the Line, :  CS, Shift picks, VC pick etc. have to match that of Overhaul?

None whatsoever.  We have different operations and so we need different rules.  No one size fits all.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

It's more likely that STL closes completely and loses all air service than AA moving its ORD hub to STL. STL is a declining, sad city much like PIT was 30 years ago. O&D to LHR is practically non-existent compared to ORD. Similarly, PHX will never be a major TPAC gateway; the O&D is at much larger LAX.

Internet know-it-alls have repeatedly claimed that Parker will abandon ORD and surrender the market to UA, which is possible, but very unlikely. That would enable UA to build up to a ATL-sized operation at ORD. I suspect that the government would not let UA take over the AA real estate at ORD if AA abandoned it. Probably see a lot more LCCs and ULLCs at ORD instead.

Anyway, AA isn't going to build a hub at STL and reduce ORD. Anybody selling that fairy tale to co-workers should face a random drug test.

The funny thing is if you look at a map of the United States.  STL makes a lot more sense as a hug than ORD does.