Is the end of USAir near?

[chipmunn]

Cav:

Since your moral high ground is of greater value to you than the suvival of the company, why don't you resign?

This way you can have the upper hand and let those employees who want to work here do so with less threat of liquidation.

Chip

 

[UAL777flyer]

Once again, quit complaining about what's "fair". None of this entire process is fair. No matter what work rule changes, paycuts and benefit cuts are voluntarily agreed to or shoved down your throat by a bankruptcy judge, none of it will be fair. But this is what is needed to fix your company. So you either accept that reality or put your airline out of business for good. There really is no middle ground.

 

[UAL777flyer]

With each day that passes, reading more and more of these posts and seeing the situation play out, I become more convinced that US is going to go the way of EA. I continue to hope that I'm wrong because my employer is following US Airways bankruptcy playbook page by page. For the sake of all US Airways employees, I hope that the militant, defiant "full pay until the last day" mentality that exists isn't representative of the majority.

 

[cavalier]

Since your moral high ground is of greater value to you than the suvival of the company, why don't you resign?

This way you can have the upper hand and let those employees who want to work here do so with less threat of liquidation.

Chip

In one of my other posts to you, on why the no vote, I stated I voted to accept it, but understand why the no votes, and explained the reasoning as you requested. Your statement here is not even logical. With your attitude why even bother with a vote, just have it Chip and Dave's way and everything will be fine. If we, the minions, are not afraid of total liquidation, then we must resign so everything will be ok. Guess what Chip, everything is NOT ok, and we are not resigning. Reading you postings makes it very obvious that your way of thinking is the only correct path of reasoning in your mind. This company is not dependent as you put it on "my moral high ground", but my soul is, and I won't sell my soul to the devil for this airline, or anything at all. You act like this is all that matters in life, well one day your eyes will be opened and you will see what really matters, and it won't be USAirWays.

Cav

 

[chipmunn]

UAL777flyer:

UAL777 said: For the sake of all US Airways employees, I hope that the militant, defiant "full pay until the last day" mentality that exists isn't representative of the majority.

Chip comments: I believe it's not.

Chip

 

[chipmunn]

Cav:

There is now reason to believe the company has an option to operate and survive without the IAM-M vote; therefore, you "won't (have to) sell your soul to the devil for this airline". By the way, I understand the purpose behind the voting process was union protocol.

Chip

 

[argentomaranello]

Chip:

I don't understand your last post. What do you mean, the airline has an option to operate without the IAM-M vote? If by that statement you believe that USAir can pursue the 1113 litigation to conclusion and have the judge reject the contract, you are probably correct but my point all along has been that such a process will consume most of the balance of this calendar year, during which time the airline won't have access to itd DIP funding, revenues and (most importantly) forward sales will fall off and the ensuing liquidity squeeze will provide Mullin, Carty & Co., with their opening to credibly propose a total fragmentation.

There isn't a happy way out of this; and all of the foolish pride that has contributed to it won't mean a thing when USAir is just a memory.

 

[cavalier]

mind-boggling.


Yes, it sure is!

Why don't we all just take a minute and pray for the survival of USAirWays, pray the men and women who make it all happen are given divine wisdom to lead the way out of this deep dark abyss, and that all us stubborn, stupid, arrogant, sniveling, good for nothing, but necessary mechanics, be made to pay divine retribution for causing USAirWays all this terrible grief it finds itself mired in.

 

[us0004us]

amen!!!

 

[argentomaranello]

Cavalier:

This is obviously a frustrating moment for you (assuming that you are connected to the USAir IAM-M). Divine retribution has not a whit to do with anything right now. Maybe IAM leadership was negligent in failing to explain to its membership the consequences of a "no" vote; maybe the pride factor previously noted in this string is overwhelming. Whatever the reason, this most unfortunate vote has now condemned USAir to a very dangerous course. (I've heard that informal conversations between the IAM-M and the airline designed to quickly "fix" this mess have broken off and that USAir has "retaliated" by announcing 500 or so mechanic layoffs and the outsourcing of an entire maintenance line). If this matures into full blown 1113 litigation within the bankruptcy court (concerning rejection of the IAM-M labor contract), the liklihood of an "ambush" by Mullin, Carty, Bethune & Company increases exponentially -- and the outcome then is most likely fragmentation of the airline.

 

[1ab]

End of U as we know it...U has decreased in size dramatically over the pass 5 years...

Yeh U will serve 203 cities but the frequency and options between certain city pairs or gone or or fewer..

Furthermore the future for the WO's seem dismal in regards PDt and ALG.

Yeh I am concern and I have made my alternative plans for the future.

 

[AgMedallion]

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On 8/30/2002 2:37:23 PM

With each day that passes, reading more and more of these posts and seeing the situation play out, I become more convinced that US is going to go the way of EA. I continue to hope that I'm wrong because my employer is following US Airways bankruptcy playbook page by page. For the sake of all US Airways employees, I hope that the militant, defiant "full pay until the last day" mentality that exists isn't representative of the majority.
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Of course, you have to realize that the "full pay" the Cust Serv types get is NOT what the flight crew types enjoy. After mgt assured CS that if they didn't vote to unionize, mgt would look after them, they proceeded to give CS the royal shaft. Their pension (i.e. defined benefit plan) was taken away and then the notorious PDO system was put into place to reduce their leave benefits. Now, mgt (and well paid pilots) don't even want to take into account the manner in which CS has been treated in the past in determining how much they must give up now. Personally, I hope CS stands their ground. Probably the very worst the BK judge can do is cut them as much as mgt wants to. Odds are, if fairness and equity play any part whatsoever in the judge's thinking, CS will wind up with a better deal through him than trusting in U's mgt. I don't recall the pilots or FAs complaining to mgt a few years ago when CS was treated so miserably. Yet now, they are supporting mgt's continued abuse of the CS employees in the name of company survival. Interesting how U's survival depends on getting a few extra bucks from a workforce which represents only 10% of the payroll (or so I've read...correct me if my percentage figures are way off base). If a relatively penny ante amount like that means the difference between survival and liquidation, perhaps they are incapable of survival. If money is that tight, how come they can pay million's in bonuses to retain management types like the ones who dreamed up bonehead moves like the current one declaring war, in effect, on customers who dare to buy non-refundable tickets? The only way U can survive would be in a boom environment, where they can find numerous customers to pay monopoly fares on short hop East Coast routes and where those routes will never be flown by Southwest, Jet Blue, Air Tran, etc. I think that's a world that U will never see again.

 

[cavalier]

"PART TWO"

I feel Mr. Siegel really is a straight shooter, but he also needs to realize this company’s history to turn it around. It will take a kid gloves approach to deal with all the mixed emotions that have been boiling for over the last decade. Given all these obstacles this company has and continues to face, I believe there is a greater power keeping it going this long. It’s truly a miracle when you really stop and look at it. All the stuff mentioned here and all the crashes in the 80’s and we still are not grounded; makes one look straight up doesn’t it. FYI..yes I am a licensed A&P mechanic along with training in another field that will enable me continue to support my family. I would prefer to stay right here because I actually enjoy my work and the people I work with which are a very talented and friendly bunch. God Help Us All

 

[cavalier]

"PART ONE"

argentomaranello

My sarcasm is one of my ways of dealing with the trials I face in life, and if you knew my story you would agree I have had more than my fair share of trials, as have millions of other souls. I no longer feel we the mechanics were misinformed, I KNOW IT. I voted yes while everyone around me thought I was crazy. Mr. Siegel wants to change the culture, well believe me sir, that will be a bigger task then getting the IAM to its senses. This company is a patchwork of several companies from the many mergers over the years. This mixed match coupled with the change in corporate leadership every few years is akin to having ten different countries from all over the world trying to become one big country, and at the same time trying to make every very different culture get along as one big happy family, with no differences. That is a big challenge to say the least. You have distrust, apathy, anger, frustration and many more emotions all equaling one big mess, bigger than Mr. Wolf even considered.

 

[Formatman]

Agmedallion: Good Post!