corl737
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The Fort Worth Star-Telegram's Mitchell Schnurman hits it right on the head with this opinion piece on his blog, The Schnurmanator.
Is Aa Going To Get Stuck Paying For This?
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Did you read it? This is a DFW issue...not AA or WN. It doesn't always have to be about them, DFWCC.
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Save your breath, Ch 12. DFWCC has already formed his opinion of me. I doubt he actually read the article I linked to. Nor will he probably be willing to acknowledge that my post was in defense of AA not having to be taken in by DFW for this outrageous, extravagant, and expensive display of arrogance.
Thanks anyway for trying to help.
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I've read the article several times. What's conveniently left unsaid is the impact that WN's presence at DAL has with carriers like Jetblue deciding not to fly into the Metroplex, not to mention the uncertainty over Wright. Why commit to a lease at DFW if you can fight for space at DAL in six months?
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What exactly is the hold up on a decision?
Is it those dastardly politicians waiting for the biggest pay-off?
Is it those dastardly politicians waiting for the biggest pay-off?
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"Is AA going to get stuck paying for this"
Who cares they pay for every thing else except a decent wage for the employees
Who cares they pay for every thing else except a decent wage for the employees
B6 has been around alot longer than this most recent WA debate (that we have all pretty much acknowledged is just for show and probably will net no results significantly different from the current legislation) so to blame WN for B6 not coming to the area is absurd. They don't come b/c AA has a stranglehold and has proven that the company will pay as much as it takes and take as much of a loss as necessary to defend their turf. THAT, my friend, is why B6 isn't offering a significant lineup out of the metroplex. B6 has been smart in competing against AA (snatching up as much of the LGB slots as possible) but there isn't a clear winning approach against a fortress. And I hardly think that WN flights to Lubbock are deterring a transcontinental carrier such as B6, either.
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Sorry, but B6 has already proven that the home field advantage doesn't matter when it comes to setting up shop.
They're extremely cautious where WN is concerned, though, and the planners at B6 openly admit that they avoid taking on WN head to head wherever possible.
Why do you think that B6 has resisted going into JFK-MDW or BOS-MDW?
They're extremely cautious where WN is concerned, though, and the planners at B6 openly admit that they avoid taking on WN head to head wherever possible.
Why do you think that B6 has resisted going into JFK-MDW or BOS-MDW?
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"Home field" is a whole lot different than "Home Fortress." It's much easier to compete successfully with an airline that has a highly decentralized structure (Of WN's 3000+ flights/day, only one airport participates in more than 200 -- LAS has 202!) than one that puts nearly 20%* of its entire domestic schedule through a single city.
JB is building a competitive schedule at OAK, SWA's main northern California base. JB just announced OAK-FLL nonstops beginning Jan 19, 2006.
(* I'm guessing here. Can someone post the actual percentage of daily domestic flight ops AA/Eagle operate through DFW?)
JFK was definitely AA dominant, but not to the point that DFW is. Don't know the #'s but I'm sure that AA's share at JFK is MUCH less than at DFW b/c JFK has many point to points operated by nearly all majors. DFW is just a spoke for the other carriers now that DL has pulled out.
I'm gonna take a wild stab and say that WN is not keeping B6 out of JFK-MDW and BOS-MDW b/c THEY DON'T SERVE THOSE CITIES. You are going to say that ISP and MHT are keeping B6 out of those markets yet you don't think that ORD, JFK, and BOS service by non WN carriers is the detriment?! I tend to think that B6 doesn't care about ISP nor MHT when it comes to the real competition from the cities you listed.
Do you guys even listen to your arguments?!
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Stab away... did you forget about WN's wholly owned ATA which flies MDW-BOS and MDW-LGA?
Plus, if B6 were to move into MDW, they'd eventually probably connect other dots, such as MDW-FLL and MDW-LGB/ONT/BUR and MDW-OAK. WN is already in all of those markets with the exception of LGB. They're also in MDW-RSW/TPA/MCO, which would be other markets that Jetblue is fairly big about serving from BOS and NYC.
So, pontificate all you want to about WN not intimidating other carriers from entering a market, but it's simply not holding up right now.
Also, given their about-face on DEN, it wouldn't surprise me to see ATA eventually folded into WN, and service kept to all the non-traditional WN airports like BOS, HNL, LGA, and perhaps even DFW (yes, that's a stretch).
First off...give up the "wholly owned" crap b/c that is not true. Second off...you cannot even buy a WN ticket on the TZ-only flights that you mention so they have no influence at all. Blame TZ who operates souly on their own on these routes.
Finally...you have got to be on crack if you think that WN's Love Field menu of flights is what is keeping the likes of B6 and FL out of DFW. Those carriers don't even serve many markets within the scope of the WA (AUS/MSY for B6 and GPT/MSY for FL.) Therefore I stick behind my assertion that no, Virginia, it is not WN that is keeping carriers out of Dallas.
But lordy, lordy if you won't come up with some spin from that.
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