If AA and US Airways do merge, what will happen to JFK and Philadelphia

[FWAAA]

I didn't say either would go. I said if any flights were to be shifted, they would be shifted from JFK to PHL. If US AAirways decided to start up new long haul flying, I'd wager it'd be from Philadelphia and not JFK. American can't even make Frankfurt-New york City work... nor Amsterdam nor Lisbon nor Milan nor Munich nor Athens nor Dublin nor Tel Aviv.... (I believe).

Why would a combined US-AA move flights from JFK to PHL? Every pundit in the country has been saying that AA needs to be bigger in NYC and other key business markets to appeal to the corporate customers in those key business markets.

And while PHL will never have the O&D of NYC, American at JFK will never ever come close to the size of US Airways at Philadelphia. Also, NYC belong to Delta & United and JetBlue is the same size as AMR in NYC. There is no place for American in NYC anymore just as there isn't at Boston.

I'm curious - on what do you base that belief? I realize that the US strategy in NYC was basically run away with tail between legs by giving Delta most of the LGA slots in exchange for a few more at DCA, but AA is still huge at LGA and at JFK. And running away from DL and UA isn't what AA is all about. AA is lowering its costs in Ch 11 so that it can better compete with UA and DL.

JFK will be put on the back burner to PHL. Thats just my thinking.

US has 440 daily flights out of PHL (630 in Charlotte, 200 DCA, 270 PHX). AMR will never have 440 daily flights out of JFK. And the competition is huge in NYC (And AMR has MISSED THE BOAT in NYC. Its done. This is 2012 where Delta/United dominate NYC along with JetBlue and foriegn carriers).

If AA is "done" in NYC, might as well liquidate.

If you picked up Dallas and put it in Philadelphia's place, you wouldn't pull resources from Dallas to give to the hopeless 4 corner strategy that is JFK. Let JFK Have the big O&D cities such as Paris, London, Madrid, Frankfurt (bad example), etc. and let "Dallas" (Philadelphia) have routes that need more connections (Athens, Brussels, Milan, Lisbon).

If I'm not Mistaken American Airlines actually does fly Dallas to Frankfurt but doesn't fly JFK to Frankfurt... correct? Despite this massive O&D we hear about...

FRA is the primary Star Alliance hub in Europe. When I mentioned O&D, it was in the context that NYC has a much higher O&D as a percentage of its population than does PHL. BoeingBoy and others have confirmed that PHL does not generate as much O&D as its size should generate.

AA and BA share the revenues and profits on 13 daily flights to London from JFK. AA flies to Brasil and Chile and Tokyo and many other destinations from JFK. FRA? Once US and AA combine, look for very few nonstops to FRA from any US-AA gateway.

Right now, the strategy of US is to force any loyal US customer in NYC who is heading to Europe or S America to connect in PHL or CLT. AA, DL and UA (now that it merged with CO) are willing to fly customers in and out of the largest air market in the country (NYC) on nonstop flights, without that PHL connection. Over time, new and exsiting international flights will originate in the city that brings the airline the highest revenues, and that might mean more nonstops from JFK and fewer from PHL.

 

[nycbusdriver]

And running away from DL and UA isn't what AA is all about.

Not until the Tempe brain trust moves to Ft. Worth.

Just be patient.

 

[ChockJockey]

Not until the Tempe brain trust moves to Ft. Worth.

Just be patient.

If the Tempe brain trust moves in to DFW it will be because they've successfully taken over AA, and will be at the helm of the largest airline in the world.

What a bunch of idiots, right?

 

[American6]

I dont think Jetblue will want to trade a brand spanking new Terminal 5, for older terminal 8, to get 2 more gates.

Terminal 8 is brand new. Are you kidding me. The new T8 was made in 2006 and Terminal 5 was made in 2008. That is 2 years difference.

 

[American6]

This has to be the most clueless thing I've ever read on this website. jetBlue's new Terminal 5 was designed specifically for jetBlue's operation of A320s and E190s, not for widebody flights like AA's 777s and 767s. The current plan is for T-8 to be built out to its originally designed size so that BA and other Oneworld partners can co-locate there. T-5 has no premium lounge space. T-5 does not have sufficient FIS space while T-8 has a very large FIS space for all the international widebody flights flown by AA.

Given that B6's T-5 and AA's new T-8 are both fairly new and modern and both were designed for their current occupants, why on earth would a combined US-AA even suggest trading terminals with B6?

If anyone at JFK covets AA's new terminal 8, it's Delta. DL has announced a billion dollar renovation and expansion of their crappy setup, and I'm certain that DL would love to move into a turn-key T-8.

Yeah, AA would not want to trade terminals with Delta. Delta's terminals are a dump and AA is modern. And I said that is AA swaps with JB, it would expand Terminal 5 to handle wide body aircraft.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Terminal 8 is brand new. Are you kidding me. The new T8 was made in 2006 and Terminal 5 was made in 2008. That is 2 years difference.

The younger you are the longer two years is.

 

[EastCheats]

The younger you are the longer two years is.

Be patient Dawg, you'll grow up sooner or later. Probably later....

 

[Dog Wonder]

Be patient Dawg, you'll grow up sooner or later. Probably later....

I have been putting it off for over fifty years.

 

[American6]

The younger you are the longer two years is.

And I am not young but not an elder either

 

[EastCheats]

I have been putting it off for over fifty years.

Well Dawg, it appears we are in the same age group. Some of us grow up and others....They get tatoos with their kids.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Well Dawg, it appears we are in the same age group. Some of us grow up and others....They get tatoos with their kids.

What tattoo did you get?

 

[EastCheats]

What tattoo did you get?

It's a T, Dawg.

That's because airline forums have removed the edit feature. I know it's tattoo not tatoo.

This round goes to the Dawg.

 

[USFlyer]

Here is what will happen to US Airways/America West hubs after a merger:

Philly: Long gone. Just wouldn't need it with Chicago and JFK.
Charlotte: Probably downsized or eliminated because AA's Miami hub is stronger
Phoenix: It's like the halfway child of LAX and DFW, and not as strong as either.

Not true. CLT is reportedly of the most profitable hub operations in the US, after IAH, EWR and DCA. MIA also can't replace CLT as an east coast connecting hub.

PHX is already about the size of DCA, so it's really more of an O&D focus city already.

PHL, as I've mentioned in prior posts, won't be going anywhere.

 

[FWAAA]

Yeah, AA would not want to trade terminals with Delta. Delta's terminals are a dump and AA is modern. And I said that is AA swaps with JB, it would expand Terminal 5 to handle wide body aircraft.

Not even the teenagers at airliners.net are talking about jetBlue swapping terminals with AA, so I have to ask you - where did you get such a ridiculous idea? jetBlue has no need for or desire to move to T-8 and AA has no need for or desire to move to T-5. T-8 was designed with quite a few widebody-capable gates and T-5 was designed for A320s. Stay in school, kid.

 

[nycbusdriver]

If the Tempe brain trust moves in to DFW it will be because they've successfully taken over AA, and will be at the helm of the largest airline in the world.

What a bunch of idiots, right?

Like I said....be patient.