IAM/Fleet Service Master Thread Week Ending 11/29

[Labor Dawg]

DOG WONDER You know nothing about the IBEW. The fact that the cards were there for an avaition industry just proves that they were interested. The truth of the matter is that the group fell back into the same rut they always do. The IBEW would have jumped onboard if we could have shown them a better intrest than was shown. Guys like you were the ones that stalled a grass roots effort. Now you will be stuck with the IAM. Lets see how involved you will be. The truth of the matter is change must begin from within. All you ever did this whole time was demand that the IBEW International show their committee. Well if you are doing the grass roots effort that means you need to show the International that you are committed. That did happen to a degree but it was not enough. The real deal now is that we [not you] have shown that we can come together for change. If the IAM doesn't learn from this they will be doomed. If they screw up one more time they will loose fleet service and mechanics. If you don't believe me just look at the numbers they have lost from other carriers. Oh and one other thing because we as a group have continued to pay our dues we will be rewarded by having them go up again. This is the reward for their hard work on another concessionary contract. So gloat now but change is in the air. It just stalled for now!

 

[Tim Nelson]

DOG WONDER You know nothing about the IBEW. The fact that the cards were there for an avaition industry just proves that they were interested. The truth of the matter is that the group fell back into the same rut they always do. The IBEW would have jumped onboard if we could have shown them a better intrest than was shown. Guys like you were the ones that stalled a grass roots effort. Now you will be stuck with the IAM. Lets see how involved you will be. The truth of the matter is change must begin from within. All you ever did this whole time was demand that the IBEW International show their committee. Well if you are doing the grass roots effort that means you need to show the International that you are committed. That did happen to a degree but it was not enough. The real deal now is that we [not you] have shown that we can come together for change. If the IAM doesn't learn from this they will be doomed. If they screw up one more time they will loose fleet service and mechanics. If you don't believe me just look at the numbers they have lost from other carriers. Oh and one other thing because we as a group have continued to pay our dues we will be rewarded by having them go up again. This is the reward for their hard work on another concessionary contract. So gloat now but change is in the air. It just stalled for now!

labor Dawg,
Bottom line is I disagree with how you represented the IBEW card drive. Instead of placing the blame on a 'lack of support' and talking down to fleet service and saying they 'fell back' is just repulsive to myself and probably most others who handled the IBEW card drive other than yourself. Don't let your frustrations cause you to believe the BS that was finally the IBEW's undoing. I'm not angry about it as I always felt the AFLCIO constitution may present the problem that 700 mentioned. It was a business decision by the IBEW and I completely understand. I know who you are and I respect ya but I gotta admit I'm not buying the BS from the PHL IBEW local as easy as you have. The bottom line is the PHL IBEW local ended up being outtrumped by the INTL and this had nothing to do with fleet service 'falling back' or resorting to apathy.

The bottom line is that the IBEW card drive received a few thousand cards in 5 weeks, no thanks to the IBEW I might add. I mean, the IBEW put out nothing, even refused to put out stickers, buttons. Posters like Dog Wonder had meritful opinions since the IBEW did nothing, and the workers did everything. I've never actually seen an organizing drive like this before.
Further, unlike the IBT, the IBEW actually hindered the IBEW committee by having its IBEW prez appease the IAM and stick a letter up our butt that effectively shut down all organizing activity in PHX. By all accounts, getting 40%+ of 8,000 workers to sign up cards in just 5 weeks and just one meeting is not only a successful organizing drive but very close to a perfect one. The only thing the IBEW committee had from the beginning was the PHL local Business Manager who is no doubt radical but, in the end, he was not the guy who had the ultimate juice.

Now, can we please stop talking about the IBEW and move forward with changing our leadership within the IAM? To that end, we need one person from PHL who is willing to do the right thing and run against Pat. I'll call Bobby sometime this week.

regards,

 

[dexter]

Please don't tell us Jeff Hayden is running again!!!!!!!!!!
Pray tell what happened to the IBEW drive? Is it off or on? We all watched Boland flying here and there so whats up with that? The mafia hit men silence him?

 

[lithuanian]

While we're on the subject of representation and to when this might be, I have words from the IAM to share as of Nov. 24, 5:30PM. Mr. Brickner is the Airline Co-ordinator for the IAM at the International level.
"Your inquiry regarding GC Chandlee's current assignment is best addressed to District 141. However, I believe I'm correct in saying that he has been replaced by GC Gushi in the PHX assignment. No one can say for certain when we will get the CIC decision from Bloch. However, I have asked our attorneys to do what can be done to expedite the process. Unfortunately, it is a complex case with much at stake and at issue. After post hearing briefs were submitted with many citations, the Company responded with a rebuttal brief that the Union must study and perfect a response. Until that happens, the case is not yet in Blochs hands for his decision. He will take whatever time he requires to make a decision. It is a complex case rooted in both the contract and Delaware Corporate Law. He has much to read, study and consider before he renders his decision. I hope we get a decision within a few weeks. With regard to the AWA contract, trying to bargain a contract for the West only would be an exercise in futility. Now that USA and AWA are one airline, we have to bargain one contract. Any effort to bargain for West only will logically lead to negotiations to combine East and West. Obviously a contract that combines East and West is possible - we already did it. I hope to see the parties back to transition bargaining next month. Hope all is well. Tom."
Since I would be at jeopardy of giving the original I typed it personally. Does anyone think we have a chance before the end of 2009? Why is Mr. Brickner answering for Canale and Roach.

 

[700UW]

Are you posting e-mails again?

The mods told you all ready not to do that.

 

[lithuanian]

This is in my own words. Take it for what it is.

 

[Tim Nelson]

This is in my own words. Take it for what it is.

lith, thanks for the email. Tom is wrong though, nobody successfully negotiated a transition between east and west. Further, although Tom's opinion isn't marginal, I think the proper method of negotiations is twofold.
1. transition
2. sec 6.

The company sez it wants transition but over the past 2 years every one of its actions points to two years of stalling. If the IAM positioned itself for sec 6 negotiations for the west then it would not have to depend on the company's word that it wants transition. Nothing forces a company to transition, but the law forces a company to section 6 and then cooling off.

I'm disappointed in Tom, he's smarter than that. THe bottom line is that the IAM doesn't want to drop the additional monies on section 6 talks and the west have swallowed the BS whole. Until there are section 6 negotiations, the west will continue to experience 'great pain'. It's possible that the west will not get any pay raises for over 5 more years, especially since your leaders are all on Canale's team and vying for the next appointments.

If the East wins the arbitration then both the mechanics and the rampers will not be in any hurry to negotiate any lotto ticket away. Heck, even before the arbitration was heard, the east destroyed Tom's attempt at treason against the worker. I'm not sure what makes the west think that the east will be so willing to negotiate for the next 5 years if it wins the grievance.

regards,

 

[Labor Dawg]

Tim I wasn't trying to blame the group and I am sorry if it came off that way. The reason I said it is because I believe that the IAM has beaten down this group so bad that some people have just decided to not be as aggressive as they were right after the T/A. The fact that some were threatened did not help the cause as well as the fact that the AFL-CIO issue. What I said was not meant to hurt anyone's feelings. I felt like the IBEW could have done more but you and I both know that we needed to have a high number for this to move forward. The reason was put out there and we as a group did not feel the urgency to move forward as a group quickly. We did not get the cards we needed and it took over 11 weeks. That with the fact that things could have probably ran more efficient with the IBEW people myself included. I know that we have made great contacts and hopefully we will be able to sustain the contacts to force change.



Again I apologize if I offended anyone!

Labor Dawg

 

[diogenes]

Brickner personally supported the substandard language in the fleet contract, including a lack of a "me too" clause that would have put fleet at parity with M&R regarding contract enforcement. M&R's "me too" clause got them a 401k match. That noise about "it takes years and years and many contracts to get a decent one" is eyewash. One clause would do it, and IAM leadership had no intention of putting it in the contract.

If Guchi is Nate Guchi from UA, he's a nice guy, but he will not buck Canale. You don't get appointed AGC without kissing the ring first.

 

[Labor Dawg]

THE MAJORITY OF THE AGC S NEED TO GET THE BOOT! Randy surrounded himself with yes men and that is why we are where we are!

 

[700UW]

The M&R CBA did not have "ME Too" Clause.

The 401K was a Letter of Agreement in the M&R CBA.

The letter stated if any unionized group got a 401K match that then the IAM M&R would get the same.

The TWU represented Dispatchers got a 401K match, the IAM filed a grievance as the company would not pay the match, it went to arbitration and the IAM won.

 

[b737200]

The M&R CBA did not have "ME Too" Clause.

The 401K was a Letter of Agreement in the M&R CBA.

The letter stated if any unionized group got a 401K match that then the IAM M&R would get the same.

The TWU represented Dispatchers got a 401K match, the IAM filed a grievance as the company would not pay the match, it went to arbitration and the IAM won.

Just because it doesn't say (me too), doesn't mean it not the same tranlation to line three of your post,
You are definitly one of parker's boyz

 

[b737200]

Once again, I read the latest edition of canale's rag, the UNITED MESSENGER. Not one USAIRWAY
obit or retirement postings. The only mention of USAIRWAYS was an article from our safety
coordinator Lupinacci. Once again, a call for new leadership, clean house at the district level
and give someone new a try. Also look at canale's photo on the front page, he's smiling because
he thinks he can never be voted out IT'S TIME FOR A NEW BEGINING

 

[dexter]

All new contracts should most definately have the "me too" clause going forward. 700UW does know all labor contracts really well as we all can see.

 

[700UW]

Parkers' Boys?

You could not be more far off base then you know.

I don't have to post my resume again do I?