i had a quest. i am a usairways f/a and last thurday i nonreved on b6 flt 44 mco -jfk. we ended up diverting to acy(atlantic city) because we were holding due to traffic flow into jfk and fuel was becoming an issue. we were on the ground in acy for about an hr. no one got off or on the plane. so when it was time to go, the crew re did the whole emergency demo. my question is why? no one got off the plane or got on the plane so i do not understand what was the point in redoing the whole thing. why not just reminde the pax to put there seat backs upright stow tray tables and fasten seat belts. and also on approach to acy the f/a's made the whole jetblue is commited to keeping fares as low as possible bit. why ? we were diverting. we were not going to our final dest. i guess its just habit. all in all though the inflight crew handled the situation very well .
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I admit you are correct and I am wrong. I am sure most people don't know that it needs to be done again. I know I have worked flights were it wasn't done again, because we never went to a gate. Actually, it was never even considered. I guess, after looking it up, I was mistaking it for the return to gate language in the manual. So it sounds like EVERY airline needs to redo the demo per FAA Regs.
phllax
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I was on an AA flight from STL-LAX on the Sunday following Thanksgiving 2002. This particular flight was an AA flight on AA metal, a continuation of the LGW flight.
(This was one of only a few AA flights from STL that had jumped the fence from TWA LLC)
We taxied out and got a flap indicator warning light, so we returned to the gate after the safety video was shown. The doors were unarmed, the fasten seatbelt sign turned off, but the door was not opened. Ultimately the problem was fixed and we left, but they did show the safety video again.
(This was one of only a few AA flights from STL that had jumped the fence from TWA LLC)
We taxied out and got a flap indicator warning light, so we returned to the gate after the safety video was shown. The doors were unarmed, the fasten seatbelt sign turned off, but the door was not opened. Ultimately the problem was fixed and we left, but they did show the safety video again.
runway4
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etops1 said:
Ah, so THAT'S the flight that diverted to ACY that caused us to be stuck in BUF for a 2.5-hour delay (was waiting for flt 6 JFK-BUF to make up our flt 5 BUF-JFK) -- unless there were several B6 craft on the ground at ACY.
s80dude said:
Well if its an FAR then it applies to everyone operating under FAR121, which is all the airlines. So Etops-1 you may want to bring this up to management because it appears that you guys are violating the FARs when you have diversions. All you need is some FAA guy on board who notices and writes it up and your airline,(maybe even you personally now that you are FAA certified) are subject to a fine.
jimntx
Veteran
A way to handle the situation, Etops. Since you said you might mention it to the crew during the briefing, I'm assuming you are a pilot.
Before the briefing, ask the #1/A/Lead flight attendant about it this way...
"I was non-revving on another airline, we diverted, safety demo done again before take off, no one got on or off, yada, yada, yada. I asked one of their f/as why safety demo repeated, and he/she/it said that it was an FAR and it had to be done. I've never heard this before. Could you look it up in your manual, and show me what our policy is?"
If the flight attendant says, "Oh it's an FAR, but we don't bother doing it if no one gets on or off," then you have a problem that someone in Procedures/Safety/ Compliance needs to know about. They can send out a broadcast message to all f/as reminding them of the FAR.
At AA we just got one the other day regarding mininum crew staying on the a/c until all passengers have deplaned. You would think that this would not have to be repeated. Yet, the very next day I worked a flight where the #1 got off the plane to escort an unaccompanied minor seated in F/C up to the gate. No one in coach had deplaned yet. Our written policy is that UMs have to wait on the a/c until all other passengers have deplaned to comply with the minimum crew FAR. It has been the policy throughout my vast career of 5 years, and the #1 was senior to me; so, I know it's not because she had never heard this before.
If the manual does not mention it, then you still have a problem because it is an FAR and someone in the company needs to know before the company is fined. The fines start at $25,000 per violation.
A friend of mine at Frontier brought a similar F/A manual omission to the company's attention. (Turned out that the FAR had been addressed in previous editions of the manual, but had been inadvertantly deleted in a revision.) The company was grateful for the heads up. I would doubt that JetBlue would be any less grateful. FAA fines for this kind of thing are the most useless expense an airline has to endure. There's just no reason for the fines other than deliberate violation on the part of employees.
Before the briefing, ask the #1/A/Lead flight attendant about it this way...
"I was non-revving on another airline, we diverted, safety demo done again before take off, no one got on or off, yada, yada, yada. I asked one of their f/as why safety demo repeated, and he/she/it said that it was an FAR and it had to be done. I've never heard this before. Could you look it up in your manual, and show me what our policy is?"
If the flight attendant says, "Oh it's an FAR, but we don't bother doing it if no one gets on or off," then you have a problem that someone in Procedures/Safety/ Compliance needs to know about. They can send out a broadcast message to all f/as reminding them of the FAR.
At AA we just got one the other day regarding mininum crew staying on the a/c until all passengers have deplaned. You would think that this would not have to be repeated. Yet, the very next day I worked a flight where the #1 got off the plane to escort an unaccompanied minor seated in F/C up to the gate. No one in coach had deplaned yet. Our written policy is that UMs have to wait on the a/c until all other passengers have deplaned to comply with the minimum crew FAR. It has been the policy throughout my vast career of 5 years, and the #1 was senior to me; so, I know it's not because she had never heard this before.
If the manual does not mention it, then you still have a problem because it is an FAR and someone in the company needs to know before the company is fined. The fines start at $25,000 per violation.
A friend of mine at Frontier brought a similar F/A manual omission to the company's attention. (Turned out that the FAR had been addressed in previous editions of the manual, but had been inadvertantly deleted in a revision.) The company was grateful for the heads up. I would doubt that JetBlue would be any less grateful. FAA fines for this kind of thing are the most useless expense an airline has to endure. There's just no reason for the fines other than deliberate violation on the part of employees.
