I Doubt That Employees Will Vote 4 Concessions

[Reservation Agent]

Just my impression from talking with employees, I don't think the majority would vote for more concessions..
.And I don't think you can blame the profitability factor on the employees...

We are waiting to see what progress we are making with the money we have contributed....Hopes are a busy travel season that will pay benefits to USAIRWAYS, very soon....

 

[700UW]

Dave understand this:


NO

 

[PITbull]

My speculation is that these new proposals by the company will never go out to the members for a vote. They first have to be accepted by the Union leaders in order for thier to be a vote. We are NOT in section 6, and we don't have to open our contracts again.

If there are consequences to that most of the members are ready.

 

[repeet]

We are already one of the lowest paid labor forces in the industry. If employee costs are still too high, it isn't from the "labor" employees!

If we vote for more W2 reductions, then "if" we were laid off (probable for some, certian for others), we would recieve less unemployment compenstation.

If we vote away our scope protection, then when we are laid off (certian), we will recieve unemployment benefits according to our present (reduced) salary. But, this will also allow upper management to pocket the salaries from those of us who were Layed-off. (Long Term)

OR:

The course most of us has chosen.

We keep our work scope, keep our already reduced saleries, and make management do their job and run this awesome airline. If they choose to ignore contracts, or engage in other types of stupidity, then we all go out together. We still get our "higher" unemployement, just like we would have, had we given them what they want.

So the question is, do we go on unemployment voluntarily, rewarding upper management with our wages?

Or does labor take a chance of making a future for ourselves and our co-workers, taking a stand to make sure that the destruction of our jobs means the destruction of their jobs too?

For most of us, it's an easy choice.

Remember boys:

 

[700UW]

Bob, you just don't get it.

You don't work for US Airways, you have not given back $1.1 Billion in pay and benefits, you have not had 20,000 of your coworkers laid off, you have not been threatened with don't give me this I will shut it down, you have not been lied too, you have not had your employer steal from you or had your pension stolen from you, I have a pilot friend who is 55 years old has 35 years with this company, he lost almost $2 million in his pension, he can only work for FIVE more years to try and get something.

We all trusted Dave and believed his lies of Labor Friendly, we gave him the tools he said he needed to make this airline run in Sept 2003 and not even ten weeks later he and Dr Bronner threaten to shut the place down unless we give more, we gave. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, NO MORE, if they can't make it run shut it down, we all are adults we will survive and make due!

Stop telling us we need to do this, we need to do that, you have not walked in any of our shoes, you believe whatever pro-company or management types post on this board, and frankly US the hard working employees of US Airways go to work everyday and give it our all to please our passengers even though many of us are facing being laid off, filing bankruptcy being forced to move all over the country to keep our jobs at our own expense, yes US won't pay us like they PAID Dave $16,000 to move his family, you have not seen 20,000 of your friends hit the street.

You have not had to go to court to sue the company to keep the work they agreed upon that is ours, they are nothing but hoodlums who can't be trusted and have no respect from the employees of this company.

And like I have posted the top five executives of this company of 27,000 employees have made over $6 million more then Eight people in charge of the IAM who oversee 635,000 members, kinda of convient that you just never respond to those types of postings, you getting Munn Syndrome?


Enough Bob, don't tell us what we are doing, we are all adults and know the consequences of our action, even wall street has come out and said it is management, but you also seem to NOT fathom that.

The problem is Dave, not the employees.

 

[repeet]

PineyBob Posted on Dec 21 2003, 02:20 PM

That's cool! Throw the company under the bus! Real intelligent! Hope you like Government cheese.

repeet answers: I LOVE cheese!!!

To my knowledge they aren't talking wages for the most part they are talking work rules and productivity issues.

repeet answers: They're talking about outsourcing MY job, and the jobs of thousands of my coworker!

Why not carefully listen to what is said and instead of the typical knee jerk reaction?

repeet answers: We are listening, and we loath what we are hearing.

try to see a way to at minimum come back with a proposal of your own that addresses the need to be more productive.

repeet replies: Always, constantly, and continously! It's not us, that's not listening!!

Suppose they are sincere and really will increase mainline flying by 60 planes in exchange for work rule changes and going to a rolling hub?

repeet replies: Of course they're serious. As long as those 60 are Airbii that "we" allow to be worked on, or perhaps even flown, by some sub-contractor .

Harsh economic realities have changed the industry FOREVER. It's not your fathers Oldsmobile to be cliche. The current cost structure is UNSUSTAINABLE for any legacy carrier. Just like the BK filing US will be the first casuality or the first to prosper as a company. The culture needs to change and trust me when i tell you these views have been shared!

repeet replies: I whole heartedly agree. Labors "culture" has already changed. It's time for managements to catch up!!!
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Our culture was murdered and is now resurrected. Our battle cry is:

 

[TransatlanticFlyGuy]

You know what folks? There are some of us here at US Airways that really do want our airline to survive and prosper and really believe that we can. I have looked at and read over so much negativity that is written by US Airways employees here at usaviation.com but i never respond. The hatred that some of these posters throw out to fellow employees and management is just unbelieveable. If some of you would spend just half the time putting the effort into your jobs on the line as you do writing on here I think our passengers would notice. Im the first one to admit that Im not happy with all the changes that have come into effect with our jobs over the last 2 1/2 years. In the end though, I love my job as a flight attendant and would not give it up for anything. The airline industry as we know it is SO DIFFRENT from what it was like 12 months ago. This is not a 9/11 thing anymore. US has to compete with all the LCCs that are now beginning to swallow up our turf, plain and simple. As much as I hate to admit it, cost cutting just might have to take place. My ears will be open to see what can be done. Dont call me a company guy folks! Im just a 30 yr old who is being realistic and sees what is going on around us in our industry.

 

[UseYourHead]

You know what folks? There are some of us here at US Airways that really do want our airline to survive and prosper and really believe that we can. I have looked at and read over so much negativity that is written by US Airways employees here at usaviation.com but i never respond. The hatred that some of these posters throw out to fellow employees and management is just unbelieveable. If some of you would spend just half the time putting the effort into your jobs on the line as you do writing on here I think our passengers would notice. Im the first one to admit that Im not happy with all the changes that have come into effect with our jobs over the last 2 1/2 years. In the end though, I love my job as a flight attendant and would not give it up for anything. The airline industry as we know it is SO DIFFRENT from what it was like 12 months ago. This is not a 9/11 thing anymore. US has to compete with all the LCCs that are now beginning to swallow up our turf, plain and simple. As much as I hate to admit it, cost cutting just might have to take place. My ears will be open to see what can be done. Dont call me a company guy folks! Im just a 30 yr old who is being realistic and sees what is going on around us in our industry.

This place does not represent the rank and file. Anyone would have to admit that we are fed up, and wish it would all get better. Wishing is not going to cut it, nor will whining or negativity. Things are going to change around here, one way or another.

If you are someone who does not care about your job, your career, US Airways, what are you waiting for...LEAVE. If it is so terrible, that you would rather see the place go out business, and the lower wage will be offset by the lack of uncertainty in your life, leave now if it is that bad.

Most employees of our fine airline will want to live to fight another day. Do your coworkers and furloughed employees a favor and make room for them.

It is a no-brainer that the turn of events here was not even envisioned in the worst case scenario, and that it has not been a big plan all along to gouge just one more time.

HELLO-the world is changing (fast) and the airlines that change will be the ones around in the future.

If you do not want to participate in the solution, make room for those who do....

 

[BoeingBoy]

UseYourHead,

"Most employees of our fine airline will want to live to fight another day."

First, we are rapidly reaching the point where "most employees" will have been sacrificed to "fight another day".

Second, "living to fight another day" implies that one will actually fight on another day. Else it becomes "live to give another day".

Everyone has their own personal "line in the sand". I do know that labor concessions alone will not save this airline - unless everyone is willing to work for less than at Mesa. This airline needs fundamental restructuring - not necessarily becoming a LCC but maximizing the efficiency of the hubs, more point to point, growth, etc. Without fundamental restructuring, "living to fight another day" only postpones the inevitable, and not very long at that.

I believe that there is very little time left. I believe that Bronner was at least partially truthful when he said that the next 30-90 days will determine the fate of this airline. I would only add that making it thru those days does not mean the airline will survive. To do that the structural problems need to be addressed - something this management team has failed to do after being given every resourse including bankruptcy.

Jim

 

[cavalier]

This place does not represent the rank and file. Anyone would have to admit that we are fed up, and wish it would all get better. Wishing is not going to cut it, nor will whining or negativity. Things are going to change around here, one way or another.

If you are someone who does not care about your job, your career, US Airways, what are you waiting for...LEAVE. If it is so terrible, that you would rather see the place go out business, and the lower wage will be offset by the lack of uncertainty in your life, leave now if it is that bad.

Most employees of our fine airline will want to live to fight another day. Do your coworkers and furloughed employees a favor and make room for them.

It is a no-brainer that the turn of events here was not even envisioned in the worst case scenario, and that it has not been a big plan all along to gouge just one more time.

HELLO-the world is changing (fast) and the airlines that change will be the ones around in the future.

If you do not want to participate in the solution, make room for those who do....

“This place does not represent the rank and file. Anyone would have to admit that we are fed up, and wish it would all get better. Wishing is not going to cut it, nor will whining or negativity. Things are going to change around here, one way or anotherâ€￾

I beg to differ, it represents the EXACT sentiments of the rank and file! Labor leadership will not even go to the chopping block tables again because of the members sentiments, you’re dreaming on this one.
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“If you are someone who does not care about your job, your career, US Airways, what are you waiting for...LEAVE. If it is so terrible, that you would rather see the place go out business, and the lower wage will be offset by the lack of uncertainty in your life, leave now if it is that bad.â€￾


I care about my job, this airline and my career, but I also care about my beliefs which are that giving more and more and then again even more will do absolutely nothing with the team we have in charge. This is a team of losers, which is enough for me to make a firm stand no matter the consequences
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“Most employees of our fine airline will want to live to fight another day. Do your coworkers and furloughed employees a favor and make room for them.â€￾

I say reverse that one and YOU leave so we have the backbone to overturn this pathetic team and get them out of here!
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“It is a no-brainer that the turn of events here was not even envisioned in the worst case scenario, and that it has not been a big plan all along to gouge just one more time.

HELLO-the world is changing (fast) and the airlines that change will be the ones around in the future.

If you do not want to participate in the solution, make room for those who doâ€￾


Exactly, so good bye to you and the rest of the gutless wonders

 

[delldude]

That's cool! Throw the company under the bus! Real intelligent! Hope you like Government cheese.

To my knowledge they aren't talking wages for the most part they are talking work rules and productivity issues.

Why not carefully listen to what is said and instead of the typical knee jerk reaction try to see a way to at minimum come back with a proposal of your own that addresses the need to be more productive. Suppose they are sincere and really will increase mainline flying by 60 planes in exchange for work rule changes and going to a rolling hub?

Harsh economic realities have changed the industry FOREVER. It's not your fathers Oldsmobile to be cliche. The current cost structure is UNSUSTAINABLE for any legacy carrier. Just like the BK filing US will be the first casuality or the first to prosper as a company. The culture needs to change and trust me when i tell you these views have been shared! I'd like to see US apply for and WIN the malcolm Baldridge Total Quality award for several reasons.

The process of completing the application will result IMO in savings far beyond the 300 million being floated.

To may knowledge no airline has won it. Think of the marketing opportunity that would bring.

Think what the process would do to build teamwork and morale.

lets blow the keel outa this ship...i had my thrills,matey!
i've lived with this crap for over 17 years and i've about had enough of this
eternal giveback crap
i've done my job and they have not done what was expected of them.what more do you people expect us to do and put up with?
do you have any idea of what its like waking up and wanting to do certain things regarding long term considerations and monetary commitments and have to put it of for damn near forever?
worry about in the middle of college if your kids going to have to drop out because some turd head at U didn't think ahead and now dear old dad can't do it ?
its like this and much much worse for us still "lucky" enough to be working and for those who aren't...its a living hell from some as i've heard.
lots tell me the job pix isn't too rosey out there so i don't want to hear this "i found work" hoopla either.if you did you're lucky and your area of expertise happens to be marketable at this stage of the game.
like roy orbison said-its over

 

[One Hit Wonder]

First of all, I AM NOT A NEWBIE. This may be my first ever post, but I have watched this board for a long time. I know who the troublemakers are and I know who the reasonable ones are. So for all of you who value your self-worth in the number of posts you make here, just save yourself the typing in trashing my opinion like you do with anyone you don't agree with. I have read your posts for a long time and I deserve to be heard and respected. The reason why I am finally posting today is I AM FED UP WITH THE NEGATIVE CRAP I SEE ON HERE the last few months! There's too much complaining and not enough positive energy and solutions.

The reason I am responding to this thread is because it is the first one in a while that seems to have a resemblence of making sense. There are a few posts here from people that are giving the "Almighty Negative Cult" some very sound advice: "if you are that unhappy and that mad at the world, leave, quit, adios." Because there are plenty of us around here that don't feel the way you do.

If we want to compete with Southwest, EVERYONE has to do their part. We have to get fuel hedged and make sure we don't spend a penny more than Southwest. This is a fact. We have to fix pricing, the low cost guys have fares way cheaper. We have to fix the labor costs. The sick time, the pilots flying 20% less hours than Southwest, and on and on and on and on................. Let's stop blaming each and every nit picky thing. We are all to blame for letting these things build up over the past few decades. The answer is, we have to fix it all because the gravy train is over. If we don't WN is going to eat our lunch, because they are getting everything right.

Everyone compares their seniority to the Southwest scale and says they are in line or would make more at Southwest. But noone ever seems to admit, or they seem to ignore that our employees have been around longer. Our costs are so high because our average seniority is higher and we have some productivity issues. Who should we blame for that? Frankly, blame whoever you want, but do something about it to get it fixed.

Another thing, Kudos to PineyBob. Everyone knows he is a customer. OUR customer. He doesn't know everything and I have been annoyed with him sometimes, but he does generally offer sound discussions and we tear him apart on this board. He doesn't have all the answers, but at least he's not on hear blaming everbody and telling them they are stupid.

Stop complaining and start fixing things!

 

[delldude]

dude let me get outa your way.... <_<

 

[cavalier]

First of all, I AM NOT A NEWBIE. This may be my first ever post, but I have watched this board for a long time. I know who the troublemakers are and I know who the reasonable ones are. So for all of you who value your self-worth in the number of posts you make here, just save yourself the typing in trashing my opinion like you do with anyone you don't agree with. I have read your posts for a long time and I deserve to be heard and respected. The reason why I am finally posting today is I AM FED UP WITH THE NEGATIVE CRAP I SEE ON HERE the last few months! There's too much complaining and not enough positive energy and solutions.

The reason I am responding to this thread is because it is the first one in a while that seems to have a resemblence of making sense. There are a few posts here from people that are giving the "Almighty Negative Cult" some very sound advice: "if you are that unhappy and that mad at the world, leave, quit, adios." Because there are plenty of us around here that don't feel the way you do.

If we want to compete with Southwest, EVERYONE has to do their part. We have to get fuel hedged and make sure we don't spend a penny more than Southwest. This is a fact. We have to fix pricing, the low cost guys have fares way cheaper. We have to fix the labor costs. The sick time, the pilots flying 20% less hours than Southwest, and on and on and on and on................. Let's stop blaming each and every nit picky thing. We are all to blame for letting these things build up over the past few decades. The answer is, we have to fix it all because the gravy train is over. If we don't WN is going to eat our lunch, because they are getting everything right.

Everyone compares their seniority to the Southwest scale and says they are in line or would make more at Southwest. But noone ever seems to admit, or they seem to ignore that our employees have been around longer. Our costs are so high because our average seniority is higher and we have some productivity issues. Who should we blame for that? Frankly, blame whoever you want, but do something about it to get it fixed.

Another thing, Kudos to PineyBob. Everyone knows he is a customer. OUR customer. He doesn't know everything and I have been annoyed with him sometimes, but he does generally offer sound discussions and we tear him apart on this board. He doesn't have all the answers, but at least he's not on hear blaming everbody and telling them they are stupid.

Stop complaining and start fixing things!

Gee, you sound exactly like flyonthewall in his PM's

The only way to FIX things is cut out the cancer, and we all know where that is located.


Can't we all just get along won't work Rodney.....

 

[delldude]

we didn't mean to disrespect your utmost sensitivities.please go on with your treatise my friend. 😉