He Said What?

Ken MacTiernan

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Little said his union has talked with local politicians and is looking at alternatives for the Alliance facility, including tax incentives or other operators.

"I don't know if we could save it for American," Little said. "But Alliance is a very viable overhaul facility. We're looking to see if there are any other partners out there we could gain some value from."

Okay, how should I read this quote from someone I never elected into office who makes three times what I make and is not facing losing his job?

Jim Little and the TWU are trying to save jobs at AFW. Okay, that's a good thing. But if he can't "save it for American" who is he going to save it for? And whoever, if anybody, does move into AFW is Jim Little expecting to NOT try and organize this new potential company?
 
At some point everyone will learn that when the TWU Leaders are backed against the wall with no chance, they simply spew this kind of crap to demonstrate they care and are doing "everything possible". These type of statements should be read as " there is nothing we can do, the outcome is set in stone", but let me tell you some BS so you will not blame this Union the way we blamed other Unions when this happened to their members.

In other words, this is nothing more that worthless rhetoric to cover up past lies and vicious attacks that were unfounded.
 
Little said his union has talked with local politicians and is looking at alternatives for the Alliance facility, including tax incentives or other operators.

"I don't know if we could save it for American," Little said. "But Alliance is a very viable overhaul facility. We're looking to see if there are any other partners out there we could gain some value from."

Okay, how should I read this quote from someone I never elected into office who makes three times what I make and is not facing losing his job?

Jim Little and the TWU are trying to save jobs at AFW. Okay, that's a good thing. But if he can't "save it for American" who is he going to save it for? And whoever, if anybody, does move into AFW is Jim Little expecting to NOT try and organize this new potential company?

A prediction of mine before was that a 3rd party FBO company will more than likely get huge incentives to come in and buy or lease AFW, then turn around and hire all kinds of new hires to do maint. not only on AA, but for other airlines as well. They will be able to do such maint. at 1/2 the cost or less to start with as they will be dealing with all new hires. Now if the TWU has their way, they will in fact push hard to represent these indeviduals. Although it would indeed look very fishy. You guys need to watch the AFW facility closely. I just can't see it going unused. Look at Indy, same exact thing happened there, and could very well happen here at AFW.
 
FedEx has wanted that hangar since they built the sorting facility within view years ago.

What would be sweet is for Southwest to take it, bring in outsource work and hire those AA AMT's that will be leaving.
Doubt that happens though.

Watch for Fed-Ex or someone going to do AA work, like Laftansa Tech.
 
Someone like AAR ( where Danny Martinez works. ) could be in the market. Curious that AAR and Aviall have visited TUL recently.
 
Someone like AAR ( where Danny Martinez works. ) could be in the market. Curious that AAR and Aviall have visited TUL recently.


Does Aviall or AAR have employees waging production war against work hours and day off schedules?
 
AFW will be operational soon after AA pulls out.....very likely with AA as its first customer..by who is anybodys guess... With the talent and know how that exist there now,.....I suggest the employees buy out Americans maintenance,...start there own MRO.....have said employees buy shares into there own company......watch production soar and costs go down when each and every employee has a stake in the outcome.....find an investor to help front the cost........Parts allocation done by the visiting Airline as was done by North American.....no Union....everybody paid salary not hourly with bonus or profit sharing interests if said plane gets done on schedule or early......this is what I would consider SELF HELP......just a thought.
 
I'd think these guys would buy it.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/dubai-aerospace-buys-standard-aero-landmark-for-19b-03563/
 
Does Aviall or AAR have employees waging production war against work hours and day off schedules?
Had this been anyone else replying I would probably respond differently.

I do not know if there are any internal conflicts with AAR or Aviall.
If you are referencing hangar 1 or hangar 1D in TUL, the only real conflict is on 1D against those very items. The constant indecision by management as to what the work schedule is going to be and the insistence of 7 day coverage on only one dock when those supporting the check, engineering, support shops, toolroom and stores are M-F 8 hrs a day and mostly dayshift.

As for the mechanics, they are scared and frustrated and low in seniority, as management tactics ran off the original crew.

At this time I do not believe that there is any kind work safe program
The union would not support such an act. I believe that a wage war is the last thing they are concerned with. But the crews are not happy.
 
The uber manager is Mr. Trujillo, the inter managers are. Mr. Nelson from the TWA group I believe and the Supervisor team is as of today is Mr. Gentry, Mr. Paris and Mr. Hawksworth. All the mechanics you worked with are most likely gone. When the 7 day coverage hit, those that could left.
 
The uber manager is Mr. Trujillo, the inter managers are. Mr. Nelson from the TWA group I believe and the Supervisor team is as of today is Mr. Gentry, Mr. Paris and Mr. Hawksworth. All the mechanics you worked with are most likely gone. When the 7 day coverage hit, those that could left.

Don't know the supervisors or Nelson,but I do know Trujillo well enough to know he is not a person to be trusted. I heard his family felt the same way. He left afw and went to Florida I believe to work for Tramco along with Pat Stewart(aka Fat Pat) and Ben Macre (aka Happy Meal) were pushed out the door in Taesl.
 
My point was/is in more general terms.

Does Aviall or AAR have labor agreements that when they are in full compliance of the agreed to terms, the workers still revolt?

Point, the Labor Agreement allows for 1/7th of Tulsa Base to be placed on weekend coverage. And 1D schedule does not violate that agreement.

There are some scared to death, hero seekers within AA Management that are trying to prove that we are not men of our word when honoring the labor agreement.

I believe the reason AA is seeking to outsource our work is because regardless of what the labor agreement allows, we still control what does or does not take place.

The result, we have zero credibility with management, and they have little interest in making further job saving agreements with our leadership, when the hero seekers have proven that those agreements do not really equate to savings as calculated, because of "union activity".

We are already at a disadvatange against MRO's and when production is used as a tool to prevent labor agreement advantages designed to allow us to compete, we are basically standing in front of management with a gun to our own head sreaming "One more step and Stupid gets It"

Just my opinion from afar....LOL
 
And real Union Leaders would speak this fact to the membership instead of hiding in the grievance office or taking two hour lunches which we also have to cover the cost of enduring.

$2.1 Million os the dollar figure AA has placed on paid union business time.
Are you willing to continue to subsidize this with more concessions?
 
Revolt, what a strange concept for our representative. That would leave any non sanctioned event in the hands of the membership.

The 1/7th rule is within the control of management. No there is no violation, as the weekend is split. The scared management has alot Inc common with those working on the dock.

Having control or not, there has been little or no leadership for any of the issues that come up. Our self appointed shop steward has been somewhat successful, but if management wants something and the steward cannot influence management the formal union leadership is really nowhere to be found. We have had a few visitors, but the hostility from the members toward them is astounding.

I guess the membership has finally grown tired of the can do that brother. However the situation is only on one dock for reason, where we were divisive before now management has that under control by keeping the other docks on their 5/8 schedule.

Management only allows the workers to be only so productive, thereby fully controlling the issue. The workers are not stupid, but the management control remains and now fear reigns again.
 

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