FCFS First Come First SCAM!

[phlgreaser]

How do you scam?
QIK.... Check in anytime. 24 hrs, 48 hrs. Be the first on the list.
List for the first full flight on US. Show up for the next one. No need to talk to an agent. They will roll the standby list.
 
How do you SCAM?
 
Prove me wrong. FCFS does not work.

 

[phlgreaser]

QIK will let you get on the standby list more than 24 hrs.

 

[johnny kat]

I have heard employees talking about how they got their agent friend to check them in. And I witnessed it first hand in VCE the other day.  I have heard an investigation has been launched and supposedly anyone who checks in this way is red flagged.  On a side note E halo was told by HR that they cannot offer the check in service.  I am very disappointed how this has turned out.  I have to force my self to stay awake much longer in Europe in order to check in.  FCFS is a physically painful (sleep deprivation) system for me.  I now know for sure that DOH was better, but the AA side never knew any other way...how sad.  

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

Colleague who checked in for fight using QIK 4 minutes before the 24hr cutoff received a warning email from the company. US is evidently tracking and flagging QIK check-in before the 24hr mark. I don't understand why they can't just turn off the 48hr check-in capability.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

. I don't understand why they can't just turn off the 48hr check-in capability.

Because QIK/SHARES sucks.

 

[silverbird007]

Seriously? Most AA fas who commute make it to work! Believe it or not. I have experienced both FCFS and DOH. My partner works for UA and we usually use UA because they go where we want to go (Germany). not because of DOH. He actually likes FCFS better. Unless you have 50 years you might be better off FCFS. Remember we have thousands of employees with over 40 years at AA. So be careful what you wish for.

 

[flyer63]

Today is a perfect example. I'm in the air from 12 to 5pm. Commute home check in is at 230pm.....major disadvantage.... And now APA as first thing they do wants to take away the jumpseat reservation system.... fCFS sucks

 

[jimntx]

Today is a perfect example. I'm in the air from 12 to 5pm. Commute home check in is at 230pm.....major disadvantage.... And now APA as first thing they do wants to take away the jumpseat reservation system.... fCFS sucks

I may be wrong here (I'm a flight attendant.  I'm paid to be cute, not smart.) but, as I understand it the cockpit jumpseat is assigned based on seniority.  Commuting cockpit crew present themselves at the podium, the agent checks the date on each commuter's id, and the assignment goes to the pilot with most seniority--assuming there are no cabin seats available.  If there is a seat in the cabin, the jumpseat is not assigned at all.  As APA sees it there is no need to "reserve" the jumpseat.

 

[jimntx]

In response to the OP, do you think the AA or US non-rev travel system doesn't have the capability to detect an "early" check-in?  Not the post above that says someone who checked in 4 minutes before the 24-hour window opened got a warning email about it.  Now, maybe 48-hour check-in was allowed in the past, and technically the QIK system still allows it.  As a former IT person, here's why I think you are able to do it, and why it is not a good idea to try it.
 
1.  The QIK system will probably go away at some point.  (I was told that AA had a replacement for Sabre in the works several years ago.  However, a system that big is not replaced overnight.)
2.  The IT people decided not to modify the system to enforce 24-hour window because the cost to modify was greater than the benefit of blocking check-in prior to 24 hours.
3.  Easier to write a small "oversight" program which would capture early check-ins and issue a warning.
 
Rather than test the system and risk losing your travel privileges (or, possibly your job), I would stick with 24-hour check-in.  I know that the AA side of the house has always taken a dim view of people who attempt to circumvent the system.
 
Remember, on most mainframe computer platforms (the computer that Sabre runs on), there is an audit timestamp attached to every transaction...the date and the time the transaction ocurred, the location where it was entered (down to the actual terminal used) and, the id of the person entering the transaction (or rather the id of the person who is ostensibly logged on at the moment.  This is why you don't give your id and password to someone else. If a "friend" uses your id and password to try something "illegal" on the computer, the computer is going to say you did it.).  This is part of the basic operating system programming.
 
Oh, and I wouldn't be too overly confident about the agent on that earlier overbooked flight rolling your listing over to the next flight.  I know most of them do that, but there are some who actually "work" the standby list and page people on the list to come to the podium where they tell you that the flight is full and  you are being rolled over to the next flight.  If they get a "No Answer" to their page, or you say you don't want to be rolled over (you were headed to a hub to connect to a one-a-day International flight and you don't want to be stuck at the connecting airport), your name will be removed from the standby list.

 

[737823]

There a tons of bugs and loopholes with the kiosks to do things like upgrade award tickets (which aren't upgradable) I can only imagine there are similar loopholes for the employee travel systems.

Josh

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Oh, and I wouldn't be too overly confident about the agent on that earlier overbooked flight rolling your listing over to the next flight.  I know most of them do that, but there are some who actually "work" the standby list and page people on the list to come to the podium where they tell you that the flight is full and  you are being rolled over to the next flight.  If they get a "No Answer" to their page, or you say you don't want to be rolled over (you were headed to a hub to connect to a one-a-day International flight and you don't want to be stuck at the connecting airport), your name will be removed from the standby list.

 
I found out that in order to be properly "rolled over" with your original check-in time, the agent has to do the roll over BEFORE he/she closes the flight out.  Unfortunately, Legacy US agents are not universally aware of that fact and some like to close out the flight first, then roll over the standby list.  When that happens, you get a new check-in time of the moment the agent rolls you into the next flight...basically now you're at the bottom of the list, even if you have checked in 24 hours in advance and waited through several full flights.  All your efforts and sitting around are now wasted.
 
IF you are lucky enough to find a supervisor, and
IF that supervisor is aware of the problem, and
IF that supervisor has the time/willingness to help,
then the supervisor can reopen the flight and do the roll over again, thus retrieving your original check in time.  Good luck with that.
 
FCFS sucks.  It's just that simple.  

 

[dfw gen]

I have never had the problems you people are whining about in 25 years of nonreving. you dont like it dont fly feel free to boycott the system

 

[AANOTOK]

The horror stories in the first week of the new non rev travel policy is troubling... B)
-5 There, I saved you guys and gals the time and effort! 

 

[jimntx]

It sounds to me like a problem on th PMUS IT side. Has nothing to do with FCFS or DOH. But it's so much easier to blame the FCFS.

 

[Crzipilot]

Yup, flying with a girl. Last week she had checked in etc as required. Her flights goes full, mind u she trying to get on a morning flight after doing a red eye. So she gets rolled over to next flight but guess what, she is now at the bottom of the list. She had to wait about 6 hours before she got on a flight. This after being up all night. And she would have gotten on the next flight but because of the roll over not really keeping check in times she got screwed. I'm sure there are more to come. If little gaps and holes and well we don't really need to fix this because we can fix it later is how the IT part is gonna run. I suggest any flight crew able to be off for two weeks whenever the reservation cutover is supposed to happen. Take advantage of such oppurtunity.


You think the US/AWA. Cut over was bad I can only imagine what's going to happen this time