Fate of the Airbus A300's

[MCI transplant]

What number would you expect AA to assign thousands of employees suddenly added to the payroll?
AA has its own system for assigning employee numbers. It is a sequence that probably started with 00001 decades ago.

Just as you and other ex-TWAers continually remind us that you were treated like red headed step children and how TWA was the best airline with the best people in any classification in the world since the dawn of aviation, I don't see any effort on any of YOU ex TWAers to remind us otherwise.

At AA, I work with many ex Pan AM and Eastern Airline employees who were HIRED off the street and STARTED with NOTHING and NEVER COMPLAINED and still DO NOT REMIND US THEY WERE EX PAN AM AND EASTERN!

So, if the ex TWAers want to be considered American Airline employees, then YOU ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO MAKE THAT STEP.

For those of you who survived to make it to AA, keep enjoying your TWA time accrued vacations and salaries.

How about this?....

NEXT TIME AA AWARDS AN EX TWA EMPLOYEE A 30, 35, 40 YR. SERVICE PLAQUE, ASK THE COMPANY TO deduct the 9 years you actually <_<have at AA.

------ Just for the record Hopeless, the only thing AA gave me for 40 years in this Industry was a piece of paper, and a service pin.-------- I did get that Service Plaque though. It was manufactured here, on sight, at MCI by my fellow ex TWAers, and frankly means more to me than anything AA could come up with!---------- As for those nine years you referred to, all I'll say is, I earned my keep! Keep one thing in mind Hopeless, you didin't buy PAN Am, or Eastern!----- In all their wisdom, AA did buy TWA!------- We as employees, both TWA, and AA, had little, or nothing, to say about it!!!

 

[Hopeful]

------ Just for the record Hopeless, the only thing AA gave me for 40 years in this Industry was a piece of paper, and a service pin.-------- I did get that Service Plaque though. It was manufactured here, on sight, at MCI by my fellow ex TWAers, and frankly means more to me than anything AA could come up with!---------- As for those nine years you referred to, all I'll say is, I earned my keep! Keep one thing in mind Hopeless, you didin't buy PAN Am, or Eastern!----- In all their wisdom, AA did buy TWA!------- We as employees, both TWA, and AA, had little, or nothing, to say about it!!!

Then good riddance to you.....Why should AA honor you for 40 years of service? how many years did YOU ACTUALLY WORK FOR AA? Kasher ruled.........DONE DEAL!

Move along..i'm done arguing this issue...

 

[Hopeful]

Back to A300... For those who work in TUL, was there an A300 or two that had to have a C check done before returned to the lessor?

 

[MCI transplant]

Then good riddance to you.....Why should AA honor you for 40 years of service? how many years did YOU ACTUALLY WORK FOR AA? Kasher ruled.........DONE DEAL!

Move along..i'm done arguing this issue...

<_< ------ Your arrogance astounds me son! ------ After you get 30 years in this business, I'll liston to you! Tell then, as far as I'm concerned, your just spotting a lot of hot air! --------- Oh! By the way hopeless, Kasher acknowledged 100% of my time both TWA and AA.

 

[Hopeful]

<_< ------ Your arrogance astounds me son! ------ After you get 30 years in this business, I'll liston to you! Tell then, as far as I'm concerned, your just spotting a lot of hot air! --------- Oh! By the way hopeless, Kasher acknowledged 100% of my time.

I hit 30 years some years ago. Thank you very much.
By the way, Kasher acknowledged 100 % at STL and MCI ONLY! You high time buddies at JFK got 25%....and 4/2001 at some other stations. Oh MCI has two months left .....oh well!
I still have time on them in both company and occupational..


So YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MCI!

Good day to you!

 

[MCI transplant]

I hit 30 years some years ago. Thank you very much.
By the way, Kasher acknowledged 100 % at STL and MCI ONLY! You high time buddies at JFK got 25%....and 4/2001 at some other stations. Oh MCI has two months left .....oh well!
I still have time on them in both company and occupational..


So YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MCI!

Good day to you!

<_< ------- Hopeless, from the sound of your immaturity, I debt you have ten years, yet alone in excess of thirty! Why don't you go back to your grease hose, and let the this thread get back to the subject at hand?

 

[FWAAA]

Why don't all of you who want to endlessly beat each other over the head with the TWA issue go do it in some other thread that isn't about AA's A300 fleet?

 

[eolesen]

I'll belabor the TWA piece for only a moment...

You see it as being branded, but it's nothing more than a way to pre-allocating numbers while leaving them sequential for the back office systems used by payroll and HR.

Historically, AA only had five digit employee numbers, but were running out prior to the Aircal merger in 1986. They'd been recycling numbers, but that proved to be problematic with survivor benefits.....

From what I recall, everyone hired post-Aircal has a number in the 100000's.

When AA bought out Eastern's LatAm routes in 1990, they reset the starting number to 200000.

With the TWA London deal, they reset the starting range to 300000.

I forget what the reason for 400000 and 500000 were.... Perhaps post-Sabre split in 1997 and post-Reno?...

The 2001 TWA deal saw the starting range reset to 600000. Numbers for the TWA employees, but AMR continued issuing 500000 series numbers up until the actual close date, at which point *ANY* employee hired was given a 600000 series number.

It wasn't done specifically to brand the employees, but instead was done to create a more manageable way of integrating employees into the HR systems... Same thing happened with the merger of PE into CO -- we all had employee numbers assigned from a specific block of the 20000's....

Perfectly legal accounting gimmicks that allow companies to avoid paying taxes are also used to convince workers that they cant ask for wage increases.

Your conspiracy theory might work if write-downs weren't clearly defined in an earnings report.

But they are. Public companies are required to report earnings/losses before and after special items. If you can't figure out how to read and find the difference, there's really no point trying to explain it.

 

[kirkpatrick]

I'll belabor the TWA piece for only a moment...

You see it as being branded, but it's nothing more than a way to pre-allocating numbers while leaving them sequential for the back office systems used by payroll and HR.

True, I don't believe anything was intentional, but the end result was branding. It's not a hot button issue with me, and I don't wish to belabor the point anymore than you do, other than to point out that the result makes it more difficult for us to blend in. We were given a mark we can't remove, and that flashes TWA in everyone's face without our intending it.

Similar things have happened in the past. In 1986 TWA went back and started using the defunct numbers of employees who had died and retired and assigned them to the FA's hired to replace us during the strike. That had the same effect of branding the scabs as such. You'd see someone twenty years old with an employee number of 31. There were enough no-longer-used numbers to where all 2800 replacements ended up with at the most four digits.

I don't know how the Ozark numbers were chosen but they were all five digits and I never saw any system or pattern which made me able to recognize them, not that I was looking for one.

TWA was just switching to a six digit number system around the time of the acquisition.

MK

 

[olderguyAMT]

I'll belabor the TWA piece for only a moment...

You see it as being branded, but it's nothing more than a way to pre-allocating numbers while leaving them sequential for the back office systems used by payroll and HR.

Historically, AA only had five digit employee numbers, but were running out prior to the Aircal merger in 1986. They'd been recycling numbers, but that proved to be problematic with survivor benefits.....

From what I recall, everyone hired post-Aircal has a number in the 100000's.

When AA bought out Eastern's LatAm routes in 1990, they reset the starting number to 200000.

With the TWA London deal, they reset the starting range to 300000.

I forget what the reason for 400000 and 500000 were.... Perhaps post-Sabre split in 1997 and post-Reno?...

The 2001 TWA deal saw the starting range reset to 600000. Numbers for the TWA employees, but AMR continued issuing 500000 series numbers up until the actual close date, at which point *ANY* employee hired was given a 600000 series number.

It wasn't done specifically to brand the employees, but instead was done to create a more manageable way of integrating employees into the HR systems... Same thing happened with the merger of PE into CO -- we all had employee numbers assigned from a specific block of the 20000's....



Your conspiracy theory might work if write-downs weren't clearly defined in an earnings report.

But they are. Public companies are required to report earnings/losses before and after special items. If you can't figure out how to read and find the difference, there's really no point trying to explain it.

Now here is the challenge for you. When the AMR 10Q comes out in a couple weeks, can you find out what the total amt. the Co. paid for Business Consultants for M&E in that period? Can you find out how the Co. is benefiting from having all those A-300's parked in Roswell? Can you identify the difference between management and support staff labor and bonus expenses and union labor expenses? Cost of labor: does it include all manner of mgnt bonuses and management costs, and what are they specifically?

Sure, they mention the reason for the write-down or special charge, but they don't break it down and explain in detail.
Take a charge for this, and take a charge for that.
It all gets suptracted from the gross profits, so that when it is all done, they really finally are losing money due to all the gimmicks used with special charges.

For example, we all know that the Kansas City Maint Base is closing. What special items in detail will be presented in the 10Q about that?
Who knows how many millions it will cost to shut her down there. All special charges, but you won't see any breakdown of costs about that base and its specific costs. You see, shutting that base down really benefits the Co. NOW, as it gives them gazillions in specal item costs to be subtracted from Gross Profits.

What special item accounting methods are being used to determine or maximize costs associated with that base? Do you think that you can learn that by reading the 10Q?
I am not an accountant.
If you are, they perhaps you can 'splain it to us.

Only and Insider could prove me wrong by releasing facts to prove their point. Chances are, that they won't do that, as the SEC might want to talk to them about violation of rules if they released those facts on a private message forum. Its all about the difference between those Before and After Special Items that you mentioned. Yes, there is a difference, as you mentioned, between Gross and Net.
We are just saying that there are ways to hide profits using accounting methods. I think that is what Bob Owens is saying, and I agree.
There is no fraud, its just that we think that the accounting firm, and the CFO are using legal methods to create more Cost of Doing Business charges on the sheet to hide profits in a time when all labor contracts are being negotiated.


If profits are erased by special charges, then the Co. can press for more union labor cuts by continually being in the RED. Can you see that? OK, its a conspiracy theory and a dang good one. Now when the 10Q is made public, you can prove us wrong by identification of specifics on the report, right? We will be waiting for your answer, assuming you can read. But hey, you won't read it, because IT WON'T BE THERE!
But, my point is that you can't get specific out of general. That is where the fuzziness comes in the picture. And lack of communication leads to rumors and theories, right?

SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, IS A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE!

At the Annual Shareholders Meeting, the stockholders may vote on the accounting firm for the corp.
If there were hard and fast rules, and only one way to do the books, then there would be no reason to change accounting firms, as they all would be doing the figuring the same exact way--step by step.

But, accounting firms do get changed, yes?

OK my point has been made. EOM.

 

[FWAAA]

Now here is the challenge for you. When the AMR 10Q comes out in a couple weeks, can you find out what the total amt. the Co. paid for Business Consultants for M&E in that period? Can you find out how the Co. is benefiting from having all those A-300's parked in Roswell? Can you identify the difference between management and support staff labor and bonus expenses and union labor expenses? Cost of labor: does it include all manner of mgnt bonuses and management costs, and what are they specifically?

Sure, they mention the reason for the write-down or special charge, but they don't break it down and explain in detail.
Take a charge for this, and take a charge for that.
It all gets suptracted from the gross profits, so that when it is all done, they really finally are losing money due to all the gimmicks used with special charges.

As posted in post #29, the AB6 fleet was written off in 2009 and the company took a special charge for the remaining lease payments and to write down the value of the owned AB6s to salvage value. There are no more special charges possible for the AB6 fleet. Future earnings reports and 10-Qs will not contain any "surprises" concerning the AB6 fleet.

 

[Ralph]

The topic is the A300's, not the AA/TWA combination. Next person who makes a comment either way about the AA/TWA issue earns a 14-day suspension. Some of you (You know who you are) would also be put on moderator preview when you came back.

 

[eolesen]

The purpose of the earnings statement is to show just that -- earnings, losses, and line items for where expenses and revenues fall. It's not intended to give a workgroup by workgroup breakout of expenses, so all your ramblings about what is/isn't provided are just that -- ramblings.

If you can't figure out what the charges are for the special items, write Investor Relations if you're a shareholder. If you're not a shareholder, frankly, you don't have a right to know, even as an employee.

 

[Hopeful]

I think the end result will be the scrap heap. Anyone who might have wanted them for whatever reason would've done so before the desert trip.

 

[Ian Eckardt Rigberg]

Why are the -622R's more popular freighter conversion candidates rather than the -605R's? I believe there are only 5 -605R's that were converted to freighters. If there is a reason for this, is this why no freight airlines are buying them?