F/a "buy Out"

[Twicebaked]

Does anyone know when they will post the sign-up for the VFLR for the flight attendant group? Pitbull? I heard it was supposed to be end of Jan/beginning of Feb.

Also, is the company planning a strategy to recall involuntarily furloughed flight attendants that will be needed when the "flood gates" open?

 

[usacrew3]

Any truth to the rumor that layoffs will go all the way to 1989 in February?

 

[4merresrat]

When will buyback be offered? Never, see above post (re liquidation)

 

[usfliboi]

layoffs to 1989? no truth to that lol !

 

[Twicebaked]

Any truth to the rumor that layoffs will go all the way to 1989 in February?

[post="244627"][/post]​

Considering it IS February and we are in a staffing deficit (crew sched words) I would say that is about as true as the all so famous myth about the girl and the frozen hot dog. I think every school had that girl. And all these years you thought that story was true!?

 

[goodstew]

So many flight attendants got fooled for a 3rd time and voted 'yes'....you will never see any money except for maybe unemployment when the (rapid and unexpected) shutdown occurs.

I have learned to recognize a carrot when it is placed in front of my nose. Unfortunatley, my years here at US Airways has taught me that the carrot is always held up by a 'big stick'.

 

[usfliboi]

Oh geees, youll see the money if you take the buyout... please stop the drama..... no one was fooled ... everyone knows the facts. please grow up!

 

[Twicebaked]

So many flight attendants got fooled for a 3rd time and voted 'yes'....you will never see any money except for maybe unemployment when the (rapid and unexpected) shutdown occurs.

I have learned to recognize a carrot when it is placed in front of my nose.  Unfortunatley, my years here at US Airways has taught me that the carrot is always held up by a 'big stick'.

[post="244712"][/post]​

Everybody comes on here and rattles off some sh%# that they believe they know the truth. All everyone is trying to do it get people all upset and nervous. Where do you see it written that "you will never see any money?"

If US fails, it doesn't matter if you voted yes or no. That doesn't mean the company lied to you, it just means the plans failed. You people are so damn bitter. Seek help.

 

[Light Years]

layoffs to 1989? no truth to that lol !

[post="244632"][/post]​

What are you "lol'" ing about? If there was no voluntary furlough program, layoffs would already be at 1988 seniority.

 

[Justair]

Guide To Implementation of Provisions
of the 2004 Flight Attendant Agreement
(Revised February 4, 2005)

Following is a summary of some of the contractual and procedural changes per the recently ratified 2004 AFA-US Airways Agreement.

Targeted May Timeline:

Elimination of Options/Trips(ITD)
Elimination of the ITD Fence
ETB (Electronic Trade Board)/TWOP (Time Off without Pay)
LTO changes/Reserve Duty Day (Day will begin at 0001 domicile local time and end at domicile local time 2400)
Establish monthly maximum of 85, 90, or 95 hours for line construction.
The monthly obligation for a flight attendant shall be his/her primary line value, post SAP value, secondary line value, or augmented secondary line value, whichever is greater.
VFLR
At the flight attendant's option, he/she may exceed 35/7

http://www.afausairways.org/Eline/feb04_05.htm

 

[usfliboi]

What are you "lol'" ing about? If there was no voluntary furlough program, layoffs would already be at 1988 seniority.

[post="245142"][/post]​

ifs ands buttttts? i mean you nor i have control over what happens.. if it happens it happens... if it hasnt give it a break already!

 

[Light Years]

ifs ands buttttts? i mean you nor i have control over what happens.. if it happens it happens... if it hasnt give it a break already!

[post="246234"][/post]​

Are you talking to me or yourself? :unsure:

You do understand that there are only 5,400 F/As active out of a onetime total of over 10,000. Most of those are voluntary furloughs, some are involuntary. Voluntary furloughees as of now have a date of return. If they did, and the company did not offer additional voluntaries as they have stated they do not like to, everyone under 1988 seniority would be gone.

I'm really not sure what you are waffling on about.

 

[Twicebaked]

Are you talking to me or yourself? :unsure:

You do understand that there are only 5,400 F/As active out of a onetime total of over 10,000. Most of those are voluntary furloughs, some are involuntary. Voluntary furloughees as of now have a date of return. If they did, and the company did not offer additional voluntaries as they have stated they do not like to, everyone under 1988 seniority would be gone.

I'm really not sure what you are waffling on about.

[post="246317"][/post]​

Light Years,

There aren't as many as you may think left. Many of those folks have already chosen not to come back. I believe only around 200 came back out of a total of 600 something (not sure of the exact numbers) for December. Many of those came back to drain their sick bank and then they quit. Since those 200ish came back December 2, we have lost about 275 more flight attendants. You will see this trend for many months to come. As many that come back you will have at least that number leave, if not more. Those of you at MAA will be back by end of summer beginning of fall. THAT IS ONLY MY PREDICTION AND NOTHING MORE.

 

[PITbull]

Twice,

You are pretty much on the inside track...

There will be NO INVOLUNTARY furloughs.

The VFLR will be posted on March 4th (Unofficial, and not in writing yet) however, that will be the date and it will run for 45 days plus 7. Keep in mind, (and this info will be sent out on the E-line) that a f/a that is eligible submits a application for VFLR, they have only 7 days to rescind that application AFTER SUBMISSION. That means you dont have 45 days, and then the 7. The 7days is for those who sign up on the 45th day.

If the VFLR is over subscribed, there will be additional release dates with the first one on June 1. Again not all who sign up will get the unemployement piece as that unemployment is now triggered by how many are coming back on June 2, (scheudled for 406). But many won't come back.

If the f/as keeep resigning, and retiring at the rate of about 100 per month, there won't be any unemployment as part of the VFLR.

The concept behind the VFLR is to allow folks who want to leave (which is huge) to go, and take the money to bridge to another job and get out of this business. At the same time you have the ERI incentive for future retirees for 2005. Many, Many f/as are retiring. Dec. alone we had 152 f/as that either resigned or retired. The biggest attrition in our history in one month.

Trust, there will be not one forced out. And the entire point was to balance the population of workers so that the company didn't make us take a 15% paycut for 7 years to pay for all of us senior folks to stay. It was important to keep a semi-livable wage (9% cut) to maintain a profession for thos who wanted to stay or needed to stay.

I ask that all f/as try to keep a good record while here, and DO NOT RESIGN until the VFLR is granted to you and you have a release date. This is what we paid for, negotiated, and this is what created a ratification of 62% FOR. The company WILL NOT get away with not paying it or providing it and they would like to see folks just resign without waiting, which is currently happening. And I am hoping that it is grossly oversubscribed to get as many folks released from here as possible, especially those folks who believe there is no future for them here.

Also, the concept is to bring back the 1,700 involuntary furloughees back to mainline, if they want to come back, and if the 270 fa/s at MAA want to come. I've already heard that some MAA f/as never want to come back to mainline.

All of this is contingent that the company remain in business. So far, I have seen a viable plan to achieve this.

My personal feeling on this is that U is like a boat just floating in the water with no sails or ores...

Buying time, waiting for a rescue, merger, consolidation, buy out/takover.

 

[calibrator]

especially those folks who believe there is no future for them here.

[post="246797"][/post]​

Considering everything with only a smattering of common sense....folks who believe there “ISâ€￾ a future at U are candidates for recruitment into the next Heavens Gate Cult that comes down the track..

Love Curt