Europe Question

[Boeing Boeing GONE]

I have heard ( only a rumour , so no negative bitebacks plz!) that U.S will use 2 of the recently acquired 757's to operate both DUB and SNN in the winter and may be announced when the 757's get thru all the certification and start flying, anyone else heard of this or something similar. And maybe Envoy will be fitted in the winter months to these aircraft? 🙂

 

[scot]

This thread might have some of the answers you are looking for.

 

[Hope777]

Dont know about the Winter, but in June we will use the 757 to DUB while SNN will still see the 767. PHL-DUB,PHL-GLA & PHL-LIS will see the 757.

 

[tadjr]

Actually, you got it flipped. SNN will be a 757 and DUB will stay a 767.

 

[bookmdano]

Oh For God's Sake....Just make a comfortable seat for the Y customer. Nobody gives a rodent's patoody what the paint job is, as long as we don't need a crowbar to unpry ourselves when we land! The average person is no longer 4'7"! And get rid of the "headrest" that shoves your chin into your chest. And if you can't design a reclining seat that doesn't take up the last 2 inches of personal space from the person behind.....then don't let the seats recline! IMOO, Thank you.

 

[bookmdano]

Not to to fine a point on this Dano, but SOME customers and SOME employees want the travel to SNN ot be somewhat nice!

Thank you Piney....my point exactly. When we fly, we don't fly ON the plane therefore it doesn't matter if it's painted blue/white/red/green/azul/purple or baby poo brown, but we do agree that we fly IN the plane. And if you've never upgraded, then it's a pretty miserable experience. And seriously, only a small percentage of passengers get upgraded. The rest sit in the back and vow they will never do it again. The thought of any flt on US over 1 1/2 hrs makes my stomach curdle. But if changing paint colors everytime they get a new CEO keeps CP members coming back then more power to them.


P.S. Piney,
Don't get me wrong. I would love nothing more than a nice trip to SNN. Gotta go kiss the Blarney Stone ya know,(everyone already tells me I'm full of it). But a flt of that length on US with my knees in my chin....I don't think so, but thanks for asking.

 

[FCYTravis]

And seriously, only a small percentage of passengers get upgraded.

That "small percentage" are the ones who keep coming back to fly US Airways day in and day out. Like me. Nine segments in the next seven days. 42,940 EQMs booked or flown. On track for CP. So yes, it is important because that small percentage is a disproportionately large percentage of US revenue.

And it's important because that's my butt in that F seat 😉

 

[bookmdano]

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Yes FCYTravis...I'm not disputing how important CP members are to US. What I'm saying is that there maybe anywhere between 8-16 seats up front and 100-110 in the back. 8-16 comfortable passengers...and....100-110 miserable paxs crammed together tighter than sardines. Absolutely CP's should have 1st shot at FC. But does US have to make coach so miserable that a good percentage of the newbie travelers will never step foot upon a US plane again? Can't there be a happy medium? Take out a couple of rows, I would fly again and again with an airline that I was comfortable in. Even a cockroach is miserable in coach US. The point I'm trying to get across to US is there needs to be an understanding of acceptable comfort. I don't need FC treatment/food/drinks/check-in/bag tags..etc. But I do need an acceptable level of mobility on a 5 hr flt. (My idea of an acceptable level of mobility is the ability to cross my legs, reach underneath the seat in front of me to get my backpack. Under the current conditions, these actions are not possible. Unfortunately, not all of us can achieve CP status, nor would I expect the same amenities until I reached that level. But the design of the seats on US isn't worthy of a commuter btwn PIT and AVP, little own SNN...IMO..end of discussion.

 

[FCYTravis]

There I agree... BUT, where's the revenue advantage? Will there be a substantial revenue advantage to offering a better coach product? American tried it with More Room Throughout Coach and concluded, nope, doesn't work, and put the Y seats back in. If you take seats out and aren't able to make more money from those same seats, you've got a losing formula.

The truth is, the USAir coach product isn't *that* much more horrible than other American legacy airline Y products. Fairly good food for purchase and a good IFE system - if you fly Northwest anywhere in the US you'll get zero IFE, and American's Mad Dog workhorses similarly have no IFE. Pitch is acceptable, even in non-exit rows.

How do I know? I flew PHL-SFO in Row 13 a week ago - upgrade didn't clear and all the exit rows were filled. Stuck in the normal seats, and while it was certainly not F, it wasn't unsurvivable.

 

[TheWatcher]

The outside paint on the airplane is VERY important, its one of the largest if not the largest marking tools airlines have. When it looks like garbage people notice and they talk. People that are not familiar with how airplanes work will look at an airplane in need of a serious paint job and think that the plane maybe unsafe to fly...... I have sat in boarding areas and listened to those sort of remarks. So it isnt a bad idea to have the outside of the plane painted and looking nice 🙂 If you like the outside, curb appeal, you are more likely to want to go inside 🙂🙂🙂🙂

 

[BoeingBoy]

bookmdano,

Furthur evidence you'll probably have a long wait for a spacious coach seat.....

News Breaks
Americas
Boeing is finding
Aviation Week & Space Technology
04/03/2006, page 17

Boeing is finding that rather than choose a more spacious eight-abreast seating option in economy, most of its 787 customers are opting for nine-abreast. That means coach passengers will have about the same seat comfort as on a 747.

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

The outside paint on the airplane is VERY important, its one of the largest if not the largest marking tools airlines have. When it looks like garbage people notice and they talk. People that are not familiar with how airplanes work will look at an airplane in need of a serious paint job and think that the plane maybe unsafe to fly...... I have sat in boarding areas and listened to those sort of remarks. So it isnt a bad idea to have the outside of the plane painted and looking nice 🙂 If you like the outside, curb appeal, you are more likely to want to go inside 🙂🙂🙂🙂

This is very true. For the longest time we had 767's with atrocious paint. Or, more precisely, an abundant lack of paint. On more than one occasion I was arriving at the PHL airport only to see one of our incredibly ugly 767's parked at the A-West concourse gate directly adjacent to the entry roadway to the airport. What an AWFUL first impression seeing that big airplane with half its paint missing. I'll bet there were countless comments along the lines of "I hope that's not the airplane I AM flying in!"

 

[LCC_#1]

Nobody gives a rodent's patoody what the paint job is, as long as we don't need a crowbar to unpry ourselves when we land! The average person is no longer 4'7"!

And the average American is now FAT, if not OBESE!!

I once had a passenger say these seats get smaller and smaller. I told her, no madame, the seats have been the same for the last 15 years. It's the butts of the average American that has gotten bigger and bigger.

While I do agree that the pitch should be greater, it is not the responsibility of the airlines to pay for the POOR eatting habits of the world today. Do you and your fellow passengers want to pay the difference in the revenue taken away from 12 seats on a narrowbody times the 350 a/c of US Airways alone in a time of high fuel prices and the push for cheap tickets? I can here the biitching and moaning now.

 

[aredeeyou22]

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Yes FCYTravis...I'm not disputing how important CP members are to US. What I'm saying is that there maybe anywhere between 8-16 seats up front and 100-110 in the back. 8-16 comfortable passengers...and....100-110 miserable paxs crammed together tighter than sardines. Absolutely CP's should have 1st shot at FC. But does US have to make coach so miserable that a good percentage of the newbie travelers will never step foot upon a US plane again? Can't there be a happy medium? Take out a couple of rows, I would fly again and again with an airline that I was comfortable in. Even a cockroach is miserable in coach US. The point I'm trying to get across to US is there needs to be an understanding of acceptable comfort. I don't need FC treatment/food/drinks/check-in/bag tags..etc. But I do need an acceptable level of mobility on a 5 hr flt. (My idea of an acceptable level of mobility is the ability to cross my legs, reach underneath the seat in front of me to get my backpack. Under the current conditions, these actions are not possible. Unfortunately, not all of us can achieve CP status, nor would I expect the same amenities until I reached that level. But the design of the seats on US isn't worthy of a commuter btwn PIT and AVP, little own SNN...IMO..end of discussion.

I'm confused.....in terms of seating, is US' Coach product THAT MUCH MORE HORRIBLE than others? I've flown AA recently in Y and I could not notice much difference... 🙂