End Of Pattern Bargaining?

[luvn737s]

With the spiraling collapse of the airline profession as we know it, there exists almost no "have" and "have-not" airlines. All have become "have-not"s. Given this race to the bottom mentality fueled by management opportunism and given tacit approval by the existing bankruptcy laws, will we see a radical shift in ALPA's strategy as a union?

Will ALPA become a strong central union that has little or no local input and who negotiates a boilerplate contract at every airline? All compensation plans will be uniform as will rates. The union will establish the market rates and uniform benefits. Perhaps the RLA will be abandoned and replaced with a union operating under the NLRB and it's rules.

One thing is certain: ALPA cannot maintain any relevance by continuing to permit a race to the bottom and advocating "getting any deal you can". They have abdicated their responsibility for leadership and instead act merely as a clearinghouse for responses to management failures.

Either the members of ALPA and their leadership stick together, or they crumble one block at a time.

 

[savyinvestor]

The days of ALPA's strangle hold on management are over. Savy

 

[CapnCockroach]

The days of ALPA's strangle hold on management are over. Savy

[post="184170"][/post]​

Exactly!! As well as pilots that are in for the profession - not seniority!

 

[WorldTraveler]

You folks should be asking for major reductions in your union dues. They haven't bought you much.

 

[InclusiveScope]

Did the ALPA national officer's earn their money? Is this justified compensation for the ALPA national officer's?

http://www.pilotpensiondefense.org/Documen...ompensation.htm

 

[28yrsnojob]

down with alpa your dues are being wasted

 

[WorldTraveler]

Don't be so crass...they do require their leaders drive AMERICAN luxury cars.

 

[luvn737s]

The days of ALPA's strangle hold on management are over. Savy

[post="184170"][/post]​

Do you think SWAPA, or the other SWA unions have inhibited SWA's growth? Is SWA being strangled? Did Peoples Express fail because of labor's demands? How about National?

I'll join in the cheer of ALPA's (or more accurately union's in general) demise if you can prove to me that a significantly better airline system will exist because of their absence. A good business plan can succeed in spite of obstacles such as unions.

 

[kiloromeo]

its not over for AlPA, they will just hop over to the LCCs and start the cycle over....they don't care what the name of the airline is as long as the fly big planes and have deep pockets..

 

[Borescope]

One thing is certain: ALPA cannot maintain any relevance by continuing to permit a race to the bottom and advocating "getting any deal you can". They have abdicated their responsibility for leadership and instead act merely as a clearinghouse for responses to management failures.

[post="184158"][/post]​

I think you all should strike If you really want the union to stand up, then you shouls strike with UAL and make sure that your management doesn't drag the rest of the industry down. I seem to remember hearing a pilot I knew from UAL tell another pilot from CAL that very thing some 20 years ago on the DEN concourse. Makes sense to me. Stand up for your rights pilots and get the picket signs out. Heck Eastern pilots had the cajons and did it, you should too

 

[savyinvestor]

If you don't think ALPA had a strangle hold on management your delirious and in denial. Savy

 

[Busdrvr]

If you don't think ALPA had a strangle hold on management your delirious and in denial. Savy

[post="184515"][/post]​

🙄 Nothing like the comical chorus of business school rejects who think they have it figured out after an hour on MS Flightsim. ALPA's problem is they have never been strong enough, not that they are too strong. Finally the day is upon us where certain pilot groups that have always made big bucks on the back of ALPA without paying dues (arbitrage...) find themselves as the pay group with the big target on the chest. Maybe now we'll wake up and declare a minimum salary level for all Airline pilots. You accept a job below that level, you're a scab. If you pay be ow that level, every other pilot group in the nation pickets you, union mechanics at out stations refuse to "efficiently' service your equipment, and you go on every unions "blacklist".

THIS ALSO APPLIES TO THE OTHER WORK GROUPS. Mech's need to quit bickering between IAM AMFA and who ever else wants power. Every jet flow in this country should ONLY be worked on by LICENSED MECHS!! If you EVER sign off non-licensed work, you are scab. If a jet hits the property that was worked on by non-licensed "help", then it doesn't leave until all that work is re-accomplished to ensure it was done properly. If your airline goes to outsourced non-licensed maint, then your airline get picketed, and blacklisted. If you work for an airline that does, then better hope it works out, because it's your last industry job.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Busdrvr,

No disagreement here.
Excellent Post!!!

Take Care,
UAL_TECH

 

[700UW]

Well there are 13 buses flying that were worked on at ST MAE that has over a 2 to 1 ratio of unlicensed mechanics.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

People, hello, wake up! The flying public does not care what airline they are flying on anymore; all they care about is the price. As long as the planes are going up and coming down without incidents this will continue to be the case. If planes start falling from the sky then maybe people will actually 'get' that flying an airplane is not a cheapo proposition. As long as you have people willing to fill the positions at cheap salaries this my friends is what the industry is turning to: WAL*MART AIR.