Does Anyone Really Know How Much Mx Is Outsourced?

[eolesen]

work accomplished by foreign AA employeees is not counted as outsourced so these examples would deflate the figures for mechanics at AA.

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Why wouldn't work done by AA employees be considered insourced, Bob?

What you appear to be saying is that anyone who isn't an AMT based in the US is really a second class citizen.

Is a trained and licensed mechanic in the UK or Japan less of a mechanic in your eyes simply because that's where they were born and choose to live and work?

Or are they less qualified simply because they don't carry the same union card in their wallet?

 

[Wretched Wrench]

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Is a trained and licensed mechanic in the UK or Japan less of a mechanic in your eyes simply because that's where they were born and choose to live and work?

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I have observed very good work done by airline mechanics in those countries. I have attended training given by airline instructors from those two countries. I would go so far as to say that the Japanese major airline techs are better trained and qualified than their US airline counterparts. I would wonder, however, if third party maintenance facilities in those countries had as high standards as the major airlines there.

However, the really scary thing about outsourcing is the number of unlicensed, untrained, unskilled, inexperienced, and even illiterate (in English as well as their native language) persons working on aircraft. There is little FAA oversight at the US chop shops, and outside the US, there is an apalling lack of FAA oversight or enforcement powers. Don't even think about security issues. Drug tests?

Take a look at the qualifications to be hired as an OSM at AA.

 

[777GUY]

Well thats probably due to the fact that in some cases its cheaper to do it stateside because labor rates are lower. In England for instance, a mechanic at top rate would earn at least $20,000US more,(probably more due to the sinking dollar) than a mechanic doing the same job in the US.

As far as not having the TWU to fight for them , they have something better-the government. When we took our 25% cut, they didnt.

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The government had no say in the matter at all. They actually took an 18% cut, had a 20% reduction in employees and are no longer paid overtime for any extra hours accomplished, which is still a considerable concession in my view.

 

[Bob Owens]

Former ModerAAtor,Mar 9 2005, 03:31 PM]
Why wouldn't work done by AA employees be considered insourced, Bob?

From our point of view its not, because its outside of our contract.

What you appear to be saying is that anyone who isn't an AMT based in the US is really a second class citizen.

And how did you come to that conclusion? I said nothing of the sort.

Is a trained and licensed mechanic in the UK or Japan less of a mechanic in your eyes simply because that's where they were born and choose to live and work?

No, but they are competitors for work.

Or are they less qualified simply because they don't carry the same union card in their wallet?

Who said anything about qualifications?

 

[Bob Owens]

The government had no say in the matter at all. They actually took an 18% cut, had a 20% reduction in employees and are no longer paid overtime for any extra hours accomplished, which is still a considerable concession in my view.

[post="253930"][/post]​

Well thats not what the guy who came here from London said.

 

[AMFAMAN]

The government had no say in the matter at all. They actually took an 18% cut, had a 20% reduction in employees and are no longer paid overtime for any extra hours accomplished, which is still a considerable concession in my view.

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I have the pay charts dating back to before 9/11, rates have gone up throughout Europe. They do post this info on jetnet, try not to lie. You got a pay freeze for 02, 03, and an increase in 04. OT is still being paid per your employee handbook, once again, why lie?