Do We Need F/a Bases At Stl And Rdu

My info shows 3310 TWA FA's on the furlough list. 118 retired in Jan alone. My guess is fewer than 2000 will ever be trained and return to the line as AA FA's.

The Seniority Integration Agreement (or SIA, as it's known) is first of all an agreement between AA and the APFA. We had nothing to do with it and didn't agree to anything. There are serious problems with the SIA which will have to be addressed sooner or later. I doubt if we'll be consulted then either.

Basically, the problem is this: after 9/11 our bases and satellites were closed and we were all corralled in STL. After furloughing 700 of us in Nov, that left STL still a rather large base of about 3500, big even by AA standards. The SIA states that no TWA FA can transfer to another AA base until all AA furloughees are recalled. No one at that point anticipated that all of us would be laid off or that STL would be cut to barely over 500. There are still 958 natives hired after the acquisition who are junior to us, so obviously all of us must be recalled before they can be recalled. The question is, where can we go? There will never be room for us all in STL again, and only a handful at a time will be able to return there.

The SIA also states that if we stay in STL we keep our original TWA seniority. If we transfer out voluntarily, we revert to AA seniority of 4/10/01, unless we transfer back to STL within two years, where we can regain our TWA seniority. Here's the problem with that: if I'm recalled and there are openings in LGA, MIA and DFW and I choose LGA, have I voluntarily transferred out of STL? It wasn't offered to me in the first place, and it could be over two years before the opportunity to get back is is available. I personally will choose LGA regardless of seniority, since I and my family live here, and many TWAers will choose other bases for the same reason. But many will want back into STL and won't be able to get there.

These problems will have to be dealt with. And for aafsc; we don't need expansion for recall. Attrition is running over 1000 per year and we will return based on that alone. There are only 98 natives left ahead of us. I'm sure you'll see TWA FA's on the line this year, maybe even me.

MK
 
kirkpatrick said:
My info shows 3310 TWA FA's on the furlough list. 118 retired in Jan alone. My guess is fewer than 2000 will ever be trained and return to the line as AA FA's.

The Seniority Integration Agreement (or SIA, as it's known) is first of all an agreement between AA and the APFA. We had nothing to do with it and didn't agree to anything. There are serious problems with the SIA which will have to be addressed sooner or later. I doubt if we'll be consulted then either.

Basically, the problem is this: after 9/11 our bases and satellites were closed and we were all corralled in STL. After furloughing 700 of us in Nov, that left STL still a rather large base of about 3500, big even by AA standards. The SIA states that no TWA FA can transfer to another AA base until all AA furloughees are recalled. No one at that point anticipated that all of us would be laid off or that STL would be cut to barely over 500. There are still 958 natives hired after the acquisition who are junior to us, so obviously all of us must be recalled before they can be recalled. The question is, where can we go? There will never be room for us all in STL again, and only a handful at a time will be able to return there.

The SIA also states that if we stay in STL we keep our original TWA seniority. If we transfer out voluntarily, we revert to AA seniority of 4/10/01, unless we transfer back to STL within two years, where we can regain our TWA seniority. Here's the problem with that: if I'm recalled and there are openings in LGA, MIA and DFW and I choose LGA, have I voluntarily transferred out of STL? It wasn't offered to me in the first place, and it could be over two years before the opportunity to get back is is available. I personally will choose LGA regardless of seniority, since I and my family live here, and many TWAers will choose other bases for the same reason. But many will want back into STL and won't be able to get there.

These problems will have to be dealt with. And for aafsc; we don't need expansion for recall. Attrition is running over 1000 per year and we will return based on that alone. There are only 98 natives left ahead of us. I'm sure you'll see TWA FA's on the line this year, maybe even me.

MK
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If attrition is that high then I agree with you. I hope you get the base you want. Did a lot of flight attendants retire/quit after that 777 award?
 
aafsc said:
Did a lot of flight attendants retire/quit after that 777 award?
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No. There was a brief spike to 105 for the month of November, but then it dropped down to the 70's again. It's difficult to tell for certain because the retirement papers don't have a box that says "check here if you're retiring because of the 777 award." No reasons are published for retirements; just numbers.

MK
 
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What about making STL a satallite? That way most if not all the former TW'er that want to go back to STL will have that choice while the people who have been forced based can return to their desired base.
 
I don't see how satellite status would help. There were close to 3000 TWA FA's based in STL at the time of acquisition. That's a pretty big satellite. And if it works as it did at TWA, a satellite is "attached" to a base, which would probably be ORD. Any TWA FA wishing to fly the satellite would have to be based at ORD.

To further complicate things, the SIA states that we retain our TWA seniority at STL. If we're based in ORD and fly the STL satellite, what happens? As for forced transfers, anyone wanting out will get it as many TWAers will want in.

MK
 
twaokc said:
Very poor topic you started. Just wanting to stick it to the TWA F/A's again
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Hey, why don't you take a deep breathe and say "this too shall pass". All the anger, bitterness and stress will shorten your life. You'll live a little longer, buddy. Most of us have moved on and so should you. To tell you the truth, I don't even think about former TWA. I'm just thankful that I got my job back and surviving each day as it comes. You have a wonderful day....:)
 
okoge1027 said:
Hey, why don't you take a deep breathe and say "this too shall pass". All the anger, bitterness and stress will shorten your life. You'll live a little longer, buddy. Most of us have moved on and so should you. To tell you the truth, I don't even think about former TWA. I'm just thankful that I got my job back and surviving each day as it comes. You have a wonderful day....:)
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Doesn't make a hell of alot of difference to me. I am retired, but I do have a problem the way AA and the company union put the shaft to 4000 f/a's. I am glad you have a job, but with the way AA and their company unions do things, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO LAST FOR YOU??????
 
twaokc said:
Doesn't make a hell of alot of difference to me. I am retired, but I do have a problem the way AA and the company union put the shaft to 4000 f/a's. I am glad you have a job, but with the way AA and their company unions do things, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO LAST FOR YOU??????
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May I suggest more positive thinking? Positive thinking brings in positive things. And the opposite applies the same as well. I too was furloughed(5 months) and I can certainly sympathize with for those of you who are at the present time. But former TWA f/a's aren't the only victims here. We all have been victimized one way or another. You shouldn't be mad at us nAAtives(?), because we weren't the ones who acquired your company. The person you should be mad at is Don Carty. I still can't understand as to why former TWA people are so hateful towards us. I certainly don't hate you, because I don't have any reason to. All the ones I've come across were very nice and they accepted what happened to them and they were far from being angry. When they non-reved, I went out of my way to accomadate them just like I would for nAAtives. As for the seniority issues, I figured the court will decide its fate and whatever the outcome was, I was ready to accept that. As for how long my job will last, as I stated previously, I take one day at a time and if I should be furloughed again, I will find something else to do. There is NOTHING I can do about that, really. I don't take it personal. It's all decided on seniority and it's all business. I don't worry about things like my job security until it is in fact in threat. But for now, I'm very grateful that I have a job being based at VERY senior base and be able to hold good trips. I went through hell, but it had its reward. I'm more optimistic and I let go of things, because if not, it will contirbute into stress, anger and pain. To me, that's certainly not the way to live my life. Life is already hard enough, so why make it harder. I hope that you will enjoy your retirement and I truly wish you the best.
 
aafsc said:
Do you really think that AA will extend the recall period so that 4,400 mostly topped out flight attendants can be recalled? As I stated earlier, in my opinion, Eagle will do the expansion. I believe that as AA expands internationally, they will just turn more and more domestic over to Eagle which means zero net expansion for AA.
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I think there are a lot less of them former TWA f/a's now. Possibly less than 2000. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanx!
 
MiAAmi said:
You sure sound alot like liveinahotel! If the base is made satallite it doesnt inconvienence anybody that wants to work out of a satallite base, it just cuts the cost of management staff. Seeing that most of the people based at STL are forced based I doubt that the people going back to their preferred bases will feel inconvienenced. An international base at RDU would not inconvienence any f/a's as they would stay at the same f/a levels As far as having nothing better to talk about with my crewmembers thats my concern not yours, god only knows the range of topics that are discussed on the jumpseat, I think your a little over board on your critique of our cost savings dicussions.
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MiAAmi,

Just an FYI, the only forced-transfers left are 80 from MIA. Maybe 50 still fly out of STL/SLT. The rest transferred to NYC or BOS DOM/ INTL (speakers), DCA, or ORD for commuting purposes.

Since SLT is just over 450 in headcount, only 08-15 percent of this base represents forced-transfers.

The majority of the recalled F/As are trying to get to DFW or LAX. The rest want to be here.


Coop

SLT
 
mjk said:
Another hijacked thread, people putting words in people's mouths, overreacting, and generally being way too sensitive.

At least I know I'm in the right place.

FWIW, I say keep STL open so we can expand easily if needed, close RDU, and re-open SJU.

Now, you may continue overreacting by trying to figure out where my secret hatred lies.

Have a nice day!
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OhhhhhHH! The susPENSE!! :shock:
 

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