DL rumored to acquire used A340-600s

[737823]

well speaking of japan  NH flies 777s to the us from jp   not sure what JL operates other than the 787 to BOS   as for the 744  DL will probably operate them similar fashion to the DC-9   but I personally cant see them getting another 4 engine plane esp if the fuel prices do go up    and even if they do Id imagine they park the 744s faster than 5 yrs

Robbed JL Operates the following to US:
BOS: 1x 788
LAX: 1x 77W
JFK: 1x 77W 1x 788
ORD: 1x 77W
SAN: 1x 788
SFO: 1x 788

Josh

 

[700UW]

Boeing will look really bad if DL builds a hub at SEA and then operates it largely with Airbus aircraft which DL is buying new, regardless of what this deal does.

 

What drugs are you on?
 
Boeing will look bad?
 
Yep they will give DL steep discounts so they dont look bad.
 
You are really out there, what are you going to come up with next?
 
Bottom line is Boeing doesnt care if Airbus planes fly in and out of SEA or ORD where they are headquartered.
 
They are in the business to make money selling planes.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and they can make money from DL or they can make money from someone else.

DL just happens to be the largest int'l carrier at SEA.

It will absolutely frost Boeing execs to go to SEA and realize that the #2 airline in the world (and yes, DL is a larger airline than UA based on 2nd quarter financials) isn't ordering new Boeing aircraft.

if they were so excited to have exclusive agreements with AA and DL before, why do you think they would be anything but ticked to not be receiving orders from DL solely because DL doesn't believe Boeing's products are worth what DL is willing to pay?

 

[700UW]

If you believe Boeing cares that Airbus planes are flying in and out of SEA you are crazy.
 
You really need to get some help.
 
Boeing's headquarters are in ORD, not SEA.
 
And lets see Airbus US HDQ is at IAD, do you think they care if Boeing planes fly in and out of IAD?
 
And the same for Toulouse?
 
You really are delusional in your thinking.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and their largest manufacturing operations are in the Seattle area.

I'm not sure why I should expect you to understand business when it comes to aircraft; you clearly don't with respect to labor or the passenger airline business.

 

[700UW]

And do you think Boeing cares about Delta when Delta is trying to shut off the Import Export Bank that actually helps Boeing sell planes?
 
And prove your statement that it will make Boeing look bad that Airbus planes are flying in and out of SEA.
 
You posted it, now back it up.
 
Oh wait you cant, cause you made it up.

 

[robbedagain]

josh  I did not know JL flies into SAN  w the 787   I knew that NH does San Jose Calif with one      as for DL  I would think they be better off with the 744s and by 5 yrs time there will be plenty of 787s of variant models not to mention 350s      theres a good reason why not many airlines operate the 346s

 

[BABABOOY]

I understand that the 744 also got a big mtc overhaul when they went into cabin mods, 
anyone know if this is true?

 

[WorldTraveler]

that is what supposedly is part of the issue.... the 744s will be retired when the next overhaul is due which begins to be in a couple years for some of the ships.

nice goal, Chelsea.

 

[737823]

josh  I did not know JL flies into SAN  w the 787   I knew that NH does San Jose Calif with one      as for DL  I would think they be better off with the 744s and by 5 yrs time there will be plenty of 787s of variant models not to mention 350s      theres a good reason why not many airlines operate the 346s

Robbed SAN launched December 2012 and has since increased to daily service. You are correct NH does SJC along with IAD and SEA. Their other routes (JFK, LAX, ORD, SFO) overlap with JL. NH is a pretty awesome airline if you ever get a chance to fly them.

Josh

 

[topDawg]

an unnamed source says Airbus is offering A340-600s to DL for not much more than DL is paying for used M90s. Rolls-Royce is apparently also throwing in engine maintenance at a pretty low price, perhaps to help win future orders.


Virgin Atlantic is supposedly the former owner as they move them out in the next few years with new aircraft.


Seven are apparently ready to deliver now with VS' fleet at 19.

Apparently at a low enough acquisition price, the economics of higher fuel burn more than offset the cost of newer aircraft.

If true, DL could obtain some ready to use large transpac capable capacity.

You spend to much time on APC. 
 
This rumor is amazingly stupid and just simply not going to happen. 
 
The 744s will not be replaced till they are due for HMVs again, which they just had them done during the cabin mods. (I don't think it was at the same time, just same time frame....) They wont be due again till 2017ish which is why the RFP just got issued. 
 
It is amazing how these pilot rumors fly. I'm still waiting on Dallas and the JAL 744s that are/were a "sure thing" 

 

[topDawg]

what?

that is precisely why this proposal is potentially in play.

DL would spend less money acquiring an asset that would cost less to operate than 744s and might possibly provide some cheap short term additional capacity not unlike what DL did with the Eastern L10s; the 717s and M90s are actually different types of transactions because they were designed to provide long-term lift.

If this deal takes place, it is primarily to provide a short-term solution to the 744 replacement issue.

DL's goal, as anyone who understands them at all knows, is to spend the least amount of money to make the most.

that is maximizing profitability if it ever existed.

except this is nothing like any of the cases you just said.
 
not only are you talking about adding a new type, your also talking about dumping a type you just did mods and HMVs on. Why not just toss money into a fire if your going to be stupid?
 
the EA, PA, AC L10s, the Gulf Air 767s, The MD90s and 717s were all very different cases. In the case of all of them but the 717, Delta added more aircraft that they already have. For all of the types they were, are, or will be at Delta for at least 15 years. (the L10s might be a little short on that number but not by much)
 
The A346 would be a short term add, only to be replaced in 5 or 6 years. Also it would be a complete and total waste of all the money just spent on the 744 fleet.
 
Question WT, why do you think, if this is such a good deal, Virgin is parking them and not using them to replace their own 747s?   

 

[WorldTraveler]

who said DL is dumping 744s that were just modded in order to add 340s now?

I believe you have stated that you don't like Airbus aircraft but there is fairly high commonality between the 330 and 340s.

I have already said that if they are added, it would be as a bridge for a newer aircraft.

The reason why Virgin and any other airline is parking them is because Airbus apparently has not given them the reduction in ownership costs that DL would get.

Note also the title of the thread includes the word "rumor" and I am fully aware that DL is looking at other used aircraft options.

Neither you nor I have the numbers to know whether the deal makes sense.

When a decision is made regarding a new widebody either via the RFP or from used aircraft purchases, we'll know whether this rumor is true or not.

Again, I don't really care what aircraft DL chooses as long as it can make money - and lots of it - and it allows DL to grow and kick its competitors backsides.

I sorta doubt DL phrased it quite like that in the RFP.

 

[700UW]

Like I posted Airbus doesn't own any in VA's A340, 7 are leased and 5 are owned by VA.

 

[metopower]

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