DL Buys 15 Additional A321s

[yoyodyne]

yoyo  come to think of it...  the EMB family aircraft from the 170 to the 190s are far worse than the A-319s-21s   the 2 inch thing is a PIA on the EMB planes  but the Airbus are a ok for us at US

 
Robbed,
 
There are whole lot less bags on a 170/175/190.  And no netting every row of bags.  Plus EMB's are low to the ground, no need to get in the de-ice bucket to get in the bin.

 

[robbedagain]

yoyo  I forgot about the MD-11    my dad when he was with DL back in the 70s in MIA out of the 747 L-1011 and the DC10  he hated the dc10 the most   he always said it was a pain loading them   he loved the Tristar and then the 747 as it was much easier 
 
true regarding the embs,  though until last yr  we at US were suppose to use the net at every row and that was a drag  glad thats no more

 

[yoyodyne]

yoyo  I forgot about the MD-11    my dad when he was with DL back in the 70s in MIA out of the 747 L-1011 and the DC10  he hated the dc10 the most   he always said it was a pain loading them   he loved the Tristar and then the 747 as it was much easier 
 
true regarding the embs,  though until last yr  we at US were suppose to use the net at every row and that was a drag  glad thats no more

 
The MD-11 needed to have power connected (or APU running) whenever there was fuel in the tanks (an automatic fuel transfer system to keep the aircraft from tail tipping).  You could only chock the mains, not the center or nose gear, since they moved back and forth as the aircraft transferred fuel on its own between tanks  No matter what, the rear compartment had to be offloaded first, and loaded last, no matter if it was local or transfer bags.  However the interior was really nice tho. 

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

You also never left the mid doors open on the DC-10 family when going from Low fuel to fueled. I have had to defuel one to close those doors that were left open by cleaners and an early fuel truck shows up.

 

[Kev3188]

yoyo  come to think of it...  the EMB family aircraft from the 170 to the 190s are far worse than the A-319s-21s   the 2 inch thing is a PIA on the EMB planes  but the Airbus are a ok for us at US

They're fine here, too...

Give me an A319 or 20 any day.

...And either anytime over a CRJ 700/900 or MD88/90, which I'm also stuck with...
 
 

Robbed,
 
There are whole lot less bags on a 170/175/190.  And no netting every row of bags.  Plus EMB's are low to the ground, no need to get in the de-ice bucket to get in the bin.

Soooo, if it takes a de-ice bucket to get in the 'Bus, what's it take to get up into the '57?

 

You also never left the mid doors open on the DC-10 family when going from Low fuel to fueled. I have had to defuel one to close those doors that were left open by cleaners and an early fuel truck shows up.

Worst fuel leak I ever saw was from a DC10. Looked like a waterfall.

 

[yoyodyne]

Soooo, if it takes a de-ice bucket to get in the 'Bus, what's it take to get up into the '57?
 

 
A crane and a parachute, just in case...

 

[WorldTraveler]

and if the gate agents don't check a couple dozen unnecessary bags when there is ample room in the overhead bins, you don't have to get out of your cherry picker but one time.

 

[robbedagain]

couple dozen...  shoot   our 734s are averaging at least 30 bags or more each depart out of our station daily    I personally cant wait for them to be gone.
 
our bus' average btwn 13 and 20 per flight      
 
yoyo  Ive seen it but its rare  but ive seen our emb 190s and 175s packed with 100 bags  though it is combined front n back

 

[metopower]

DL traded the PA 310 s for new better 310 s . They still didn't make the specks. They are now over at Fed Ex. They didn't last very long on DL property.

 

[WorldTraveler]

it's also possible that this little top order was a shot across Boeing's bow to let them know that the price they were offering DL as part of the widebody RFP for the 773ERs was too high.

 

[737823]

couple dozen...  shoot   our 734s are averaging at least 30 bags or more each depart out of our station daily    I personally cant wait for them to be gone.
 
our bus' average btwn 13 and 20 per flight      
 
yoyo  Ive seen it but its rare  but ive seen our emb 190s and 175s packed with 100 bags  though it is combined front n back

 
Robbed is this because the pax are carrying on baggage that doesn't fit the size requirements or are the US 734 bins no expanded?  The original 77 AA 738s delivered 1999-2001 have received several interior mods since they entered service but AA has kept the same small bins.  Anyway my recent flight the agents ended up gate checking many bags, much prefer the newer BSI planes or even the 2009+ deliveries with the expanded overhead bins.
 
Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

robbed would have to speak to what he is referring to but DL's efforts to continue to update the interiors of its aircraft have always included replacing overhead bins with newer models that hold more plus taking advantage of new technology materials that make the physical space that seats, galleys, and lavs take up smaller but delivering the same amount of personal space - in most cases. Aircraft like the 739 and likely the new 320 config and the new 321s aren't going to compare favorably to the 757 that are very spacious and were designed for full hot meals (sometimes two services). Carriers that are going to retire aircraft will not invest the effort to renovate cabins as DL is doing.

 

[Kev3188]

 
Robbed is this because the pax are carrying on baggage that doesn't fit the size requirements or are the US 734 bins no expanded?  
Josh

Don't forget Option C: People trying to skirt the bag fees...

 

[737823]

Don't forget Option C: People trying to skirt the bag fees...

 
I've often wondered why the airlines allow such leakage of revenue.  I guess they aren't in synch with the TSA and contract personnel who allow people to enter the secured area with too many or oversized items hoping to gate check.  I often hear on AA announcements to bring your bag forward and have it checked free to your final destination I imagine the new regime will fix this and begin charging the appropriate fee for oversized bags.
 
Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

the TSA made it clear several years ago that they will not police bag limits or bag sizes. Several carriers tried to use different carryon requirements and the TSA said they weren't going to get in the middle of it.

Some carriers tag carryon bags so that an agent verifies them and DL does it on longhaul int'l flights at most gateways but the labor involved is too much.

Plus, if you break the rules, the chances are high you will get caught by a gate agent or FA at some point. I really don't see that many people trying to carry on what is clearly in excess.

The issue is with the number of rollerboards that Americans carry on - which aren't allowed on most foreign airlines at the weights that US airlines allow.