DL announcing raises, changes to Profit Sharing

[townpete]

I love working for AA. I love the history behind it. I honestly think like a kid that it's cool that I work for American Airlines. It's an institution. I have a Ford Tri Motor with the original AA logo that I bought for $100.00 sitting on my bedpost.
And at the same time I'm a Union Shop Steward as well.
Wow how in the world can I share two allegiances?

A union shop steward?

Welp that explains a lot.

Just like Kev and 700, when you're a hammer all you see is nails

 

[bob@las-AA]

 

C'mon man let's stop playing around here. You know it's a lot easier for the airline to get rid of him and replace him than it is for you. I congratulate the raise for everyone at DL. I think it's fantastic.

But we are trying to tell you that in ACS they're being weeded out. The higher cost people are being replaced by RR all over the place. If I were Kev being honest I'd be scared chitless too and want protection of some type of real value.

What difference is it how much I make if I have to walk around feeling like I have a target on my back because I know I'm easily replaceable?

What if that raise wound up really just being temporary until I have to go stand on the unemployment line?

Do you give a damn about that at all. Please be honest.

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Congrats Delta people!!
 
I think is funny that all the chit-chat about Delta's good fortune has shifted from the AA forum to the DL side.
In fact, you can hear crickets it's so quite. I think the people at AA, are completely dumbfounded that, as for the ramp, a 14.5% bump in pay is on its way. By the way, I would like to here from a Full-Time DL ramp clerk on what top out pay is before the raise.  
The same old fear mongers 700 and Wez are spreading their poison, and I think the people of DL just aren't buying it.
 
People of DL,...don't pay any attention the pudding heads that advocate the advantages of placing a union on the property, a Union only creates slugs that work hard to get out of doing the work, all the while expecting coworkers to pick up the slack. That's the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth.

 

[WeAAsles]

A union shop steward?

 

Absolutely. You see I understand that there are many people out there making a lot less than I do and that the fact that a Union has been at AA since 1947 is why I'm getting today what I get. My rate even after givebacks was built over that almost 70 years of time.

I do it because I want to give something back for that. I know that you can't understand and that you're next post will mock what I just said, but it really doesn't matter.

You're just a ghost on a machine anyway.

 

[bob@las-AA]

People of DL Ramp..... keep doing what you doing. 

 

[bob@las-AA]

I personally can't understand your motivation? With only 5 years in ACS at AA for you if we continue to have to compete against the RR system over at Delta and a contract is presented to us that raises "MY" Base pay substantially at a costs to the lowers down the ladder. How do you think the majority is going to vote?

If we reduce stations to get that raise and people start to bump the system, what do you think happens to you? 

I have 20 years buddy. I can shrug my shoulders since I'm not going anywhere. You on the other hand?

You really just have no clue do you. 

What is ACS? 
With your time, you may think your untouchable. People in PHX with far more time than you were bumped out. You hide behind this very thin veil that you call a contact, I hope it will provide substance when AAL files BK in 5 years to rid the pensions. 

 

[Kev3188]

What is ACS?

 
Airport Customer Service. At DL it covers the ramp & gate both (and to a lesser extent can refer to the Sky Clubs, and Tower)...

Up to the merger Kevs job was more secure than yours

True. We had pretty explicit scope at NW...

 

[T5towbar]

 
 
 
 
Congrats Delta people!!
 
I think is funny that all the chit-chat about Delta's good fortune has shifted from the AA forum to the DL side.
In fact, you can hear crickets it's so quite. I think the people at AA, are completely dumbfounded that, as for the ramp, a 14.5% bump in pay is on its way. By the way, I would like to here from a Full-Time DL ramp clerk on what top out pay is before the raise.  
The same old fear mongers 700 and Wez are spreading their poison, and I think the people of DL just aren't buying it.
 
People of DL,...don't pay any attention the pudding heads that advocate the advantages of placing a union on the property, a Union only creates slugs that work hard to get out of doing the work, all the while expecting coworkers to pick up the slack. That's the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth.
 

Just let me put my "two cents" on this......
 
That can happen on any workplace - union or non-union. There are some people who "skate" work on a daily basis. I've seen it and been on both sides of the non-union / union side.  Some people will avoid work, and eventually they will get themselves fired one day or the other. The difference, if it is not justified and there are circumstances, the union will be there to back them up.  I just don't like the generalization that all Union workers are lazy "slugs" and the Union will protect them if they screw up. Usually, someone that is lazy will hide behind others. They will be their own downfall. I've seen it many times. Probably will see it again.....
 
 
Anyway, I'm glad when anybody gets a raise in these times. DL is printing money right now, and they are in a position to share the wealth with their employees, instead of some stock buy back scheme. (hint....hint.....)  I've been past the DL ramp the other day, and I saw their new baggage carts which promptly says on the sides that "Delta is the On-Time Machine", and "We Guarantee Your Bag in 20 mins or Less". (I should have took pics of these carts, but I was driving back to my area), but they are displayed in a position for all to see. They are running a great operation right now, and the raises will definitely help in the pocketbook. 
 
Won't their top out be near or at 28.00?  And someone like a Lead, about 30.00?  I think that is more than Southwest.  And is there a progression or track from Ready Reserve to a benefited employee status? And how long is the wait.  Just asking, because I've heard that the stated goal (don't know how true or not) for each station is to have a 25%FT / 25% PT / 50% Ready Reserve mix of employees.  If that is true, I'm kinda leery of that. Personally, I wouldn't like where that leads to.  But I would like to know what is the staffing, and how attrition and things like that are handled.  
 
 
Anyway, Great Job Delta!

 

[Kev3188]

I just don't like the generalization that all Union workers are lazy "slugs" and the Union will protect them if they screw up. Usually, someone that is lazy will hide behind others. They will be their own downfall. I've seen it many times. Probably will see it again.....

An intellectually lazy stereotype about laziness. Ironic, isn't it?
 
 

Anyway, I'm glad when anybody gets a raise in these times. DL is printing money right now, and they are in a position to share the wealth with their employees, instead of some stock buy back scheme. (hint....hint.....)  I've been past the DL ramp the other day, and I saw their new baggage carts which promptly says on the sides that "Delta is the On-Time Machine", and "We Guarantee Your Bag in 20 mins or Less". (I should have took pics of these carts, but I was driving back to my area), but they are displayed in a position for all to see. They are running a great operation right now, and the raises will definitely help in the pocketbook.

The carts in my station have definitely seen better days, and are not what people should be seeing when they block into my gates.Hopefully, ours will get the same facelift soon...
 

Won't their top out be near or at 28.00?  And someone like a Lead, about 30.00?  I think that is more than Southwest.

IIRC, it's $28.42 and $30.01 respectively...

And is there a progression or track from Ready Reserve to a benefited employee status? And how long is the wait.  Just asking, because I've heard that the stated goal (don't know how true or not) for each station is to have a 25%FT / 25% PT / 50% Ready Reserve mix of employees.  If that is true, I'm kinda leery of that. Personally, I wouldn't like where that leads to.  But I would like to know what is the staffing, and how attrition and things like that are handled.

No definite track, and progression differs from one station to the next. If you're in, say, LGA or SEA, the jump will be fairly quick. If you're somewhere else not so much...

The company's stated goal is a 50/50 mix of "benefitted" and RR employees. There is no PT per se; rather, there are benefitted lines with less than 40 hours on them...

 

[T5towbar]

An intellectually lazy stereotype about laziness. Ironic, isn't it?
 
 

The carts in my station have definitely seen better days, and are not what people should be seeing when they block into my gates.Hopefully, ours will get the same facelift soon...
 

IIRC, it's $28.42 and $30.01 respectively...


No definite track, and progression differs from one station to the next. If you're in, say, LGA or SEA, the jump will be fairly quick. If you're somewhere else not so much...

The company's stated goal is a 50/50 mix of "benefitted" and RR employees. There is no PT per se; rather, there are benefitted lines with less than 40 hours on them...

Well the new carts look pretty sharp. (for baggage carts.......)
 
So a hub or a major station, the progression should be easy to move up to a benefited employee then?  That's typical, because the hubs (and the larger stations) are the only places of growth anywhere in the system. You always have to have major time working in a outstation. 
And the RR is like part-time, and people who are presently working PT choose that voluntarily (like some senior people choose it), or either downgraded involuntarily, or coming from RR to benifited and have to take PT because the FT spots are taken?   Just curious, because when I was with Continental, most of the growth was in the hubs, and you had to have the time in (ie: seniority) to put in a bid card go go elsewhere. But we always hired (when we had a hiring wave - I can recall we had three of them in my career) at FT, instead of PT, because attrition took care of the rest. Now everything is all screwed up.
 
Thanks for the info.

 

[cloudskimmer]

Anyway, I'm glad when anybody gets a raise in these times. DL is printing money right now, and they are in a position to share the wealth with their employees, instead of some stock buy back scheme. (hint....hint.....)  I've been past the DL ramp the other day, and I saw their new baggage carts which promptly says on the sides that "Delta is the On-Time Machine", and "We Guarantee Your Bag in 20 mins or Less". (I should have took pics of these carts, but I was driving back to my area), but they are displayed in a position for all to see. They are running a great operation right now, and the raises will definitely help in the pocketbook. 
 

Anyway, Great Job Delta!

Delta is buying back stock.

DL is running a great operation because of us, DL employees, and they are willing to share their profits with us. Other airlines are not doing it the same way.

 

[wings396]

Either way, it's a nice increase for everyone at DL. Congrats to all.

 

[topDawg]

Your pensions are already frozen, the PBGC wouldnt let AA terminate them.
Do you actually ever think?

bob thinks whatever management tells him to think. 
 

I love working for AA. I love the history behind it. I honestly think like a kid that it's cool that I work for American Airlines. It's an institution. I have a Ford Tri Motor with the original AA logo that I bought for $100.00 sitting on my bedpost.

And at the same time I'm a Union Shop Steward as well.

Wow how in the world can I share two allegiances?

According to most here this is simply not possible. you hate your job and the company. YOU MUST! 
 

If DL was going to get rid of Kev why havent they done it? Why would they be rewarding  him with such a generous raise if that  were their intentions. Does DL have a track record more than any other airline
 of laying off senior people? Can it happen? sure Will it happen? probably not. WeAAs there is a possibility of you getting run over tonight too you cant live worrying about it. Up to the merger Kevs job was more secure than yours

errr post merger Delta has cut some stations fwiw. 
 

...And you should do it in a thread that is NOT about changes to DL's base rates/profit sharing/etc.

No WT same old story though 
 

I'll admit its bad im doing four other things  while im playing with you. You know whats funny I know there is no way you would call me a doosh if I was standing next to you. Absolutely no way.Insult away my friend

whooooaaaaaa I'm sure Glenn is scare now! 
 

Yep, the union drive just took a huge shot in the nuts, let's not pile on while their down!

You can prove that right? 
 
 
Didn't think so. 

 

[BABABOOY]

Great to come on here to the Delta thread and read all about AA's woes ...cant you guys take it to the AA boards?

 

[swamt]

Just let me put my "two cents" on this......
 
That can happen on any workplace - union or non-union. There are some people who "skate" work on a daily basis. I've seen it and been on both sides of the non-union / union side.  Some people will avoid work, and eventually they will get themselves fired one day or the other. The difference, if it is not justified and there are circumstances, the union will be there to back them up.  I just don't like the generalization that all Union workers are lazy "slugs" and the Union will protect them if they screw up. Usually, someone that is lazy will hide behind others. They will be their own downfall. I've seen it many times. Probably will see it again.....
 
 
Anyway, I'm glad when anybody gets a raise in these times. DL is printing money right now, and they are in a position to share the wealth with their employees, instead of some stock buy back scheme. (hint....hint.....)  I've been past the DL ramp the other day, and I saw their new baggage carts which promptly says on the sides that "Delta is the On-Time Machine", and "We Guarantee Your Bag in 20 mins or Less". (I should have took pics of these carts, but I was driving back to my area), but they are displayed in a position for all to see. They are running a great operation right now, and the raises will definitely help in the pocketbook. 
 
Won't their top out be near or at 28.00?  And someone like a Lead, about 30.00?  I think that is more than Southwest.  And is there a progression or track from Ready Reserve to a benefited employee status? And how long is the wait.  Just asking, because I've heard that the stated goal (don't know how true or not) for each station is to have a 25%FT / 25% PT / 50% Ready Reserve mix of employees.  If that is true, I'm kinda leery of that. Personally, I wouldn't like where that leads to.  But I would like to know what is the staffing, and how attrition and things like that are handled.  
 
 
Anyway, Great Job Delta!

Yes it is more than Southwest. Congrats to all the employees at Delta to soon enjoy the new raises starting Dec 1st.  Fantastic time frame right at the holidays...

 

[bob@las-AA]

bob thinks whatever management tells him to think. 
 
 

Yep keeps me employed and never needing a shop steward for any reason.
 
 
 
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