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Fly, what WT means is that this a Delta solution, one that works for our network. We( yes I am a DAL employee,) have 70 plus % of our network competing against LCC's where NWA has very little. Of course they will scream the loudest..they have alot to lose. Dal has decided to overhaul everything in a attempt to avoid BK. In my opinion, if all of our initiatives work close to what the exec's think, later this year and 2006 could be breakout years. I am glad that there is a plan besides slashing salaries, and I am cautiously optimistic but make no mistake about it, most of 2005 will be a transition year.Fly said:Were you a cheerleader in high school??
The fact is that if United had posted anything near that figure, you would have written an obituary. BUT, when Delta does it, it's a good thing. That's messed up.
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Many, but not all, airlines are flying people for less $$ than it costs to operate. This is typical for an industry at this point of evolution. It's a competitive shakeout.Fly said:The airlines are flying people for less $$ than it costs to operate.
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This is truly an absurd thing to say. An analogy would be that it should never be cheaper to send an email than to send a letter. You're using a different technology which has its own greater efficiencies. Of course it should be cheaper to fly than drive...for routes where it costs less to provide air travel than automobile travel.It should never be cheaper to fly than drive
Of course it is. And that's why you don't see these airplanes flying around with four seats. The per mile costs are much higher for a 737. The per seat mile costs are much lower. So cut the crap.aafsc said:First, it is expensive to operate an airliner (maintanence, gate leases, ground equipment, flight crew training, etc.) the list goes on and on.
You're making the wrong comparison. Between Florida and NY, a market dominated by leisure travelers, few people view the automobile as a substitute. Rather, they view going somewhere else or not going at all as substitutes. See, your comparison assumes that they must make the trip...one of the common mistakes people make in the economics of pricing.Second, you are getting from Fla to NY in 2.5 hours as opposed to 24 hours driving. So people should pay a premium to get there faster
I have several responses to that one. First of all, you're making a comparison among different products offered by the same company. They have different prices in order to segment the market and maximize revenue. Secondly, as a corollary to my first comment, the economies of scale are roughly the same across modes of package transport (i.e., lots of boxes share the same mode), so the cost differentials really exist here. Third, there are few substitutes. People don't typically choose where to send a package based on how much it costs; they only send it if they need to get something from Point A to Point B.just like you pay UPS more to ship overnight (by air) than you do for 3 day ground delivery (by truck and rail).
Why? They're different products, offering substantially different services. If you understood the economics of NYC Taxis, you'd have a much better understanding for the high fares to and from the airports.It IS a very sad state of affairs when the cab ride within New York is more expensive than the plane ticket to New York.
Who has a $49 fare? I'm really tired of people quoting these one-way fares as if people never go home.And of the 49 dollar fare to NY about 15 to 20 percent of that is taxes, so the amount the airline gets is about $40.
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Fly said:BS!!
ONLY thing Delta did was to EXTEND the overcapacity. Ticket prices need to go UP not DOWN!
All other businesses increase price as the price of running the business goes up, except the airlines.
What Delta did wasn't a good move, for anyone.....especially themselves. How much did they lose??? $5.2 BILLION!!!!!!! whoa. If that's the turnaround plan....watch out!
In an industry where huge losses are common, Delta Air Lines Inc. is now in a class all its own.
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UAL_TECH said:Don't worry, another $1 BILLION in concessions from DALPA will put everything 'in-line'. (after another 50% fare cut)Â
The 'Race to The Bottom' continues!!! :blink:
B) UT
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The pilots at UAL were alway quick to point out how some of the other airlines were dragging the industry wages down and they avocated a just say no policy, strike for the good of all. Now that the shoe is on the other foot all you see is a tail between their legs. What a joke they are.UAL_TECH said:Don't worry, another $1 BILLION in concessions from DALPA will put everything 'in-line'. (after another 50% fare cut)
The 'Race to The Bottom' continues!!! :blink:
B) UT
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Borescope said:The pilots at UAL were alway quick to point out how some of the other airlines were dragging the industry wages down and they avocated a just say no policy, strike for the good of all. Now that the shoe is on the other foot all you see is a tail between their legs. What a joke they are.
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