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767jetz
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Chip,Chip Munn said:
This post is very typical of you, and paints the perfect picture of yourself for all the world to see. Don't flatter yourself thinking I would follow you anywhere. Incase you played hookey during "psychology 101," it is usually those that have the most to say, that are also the most insecure and have the least knowledge.
I spend most of my time on USAviation reading and observing. I find your obsession particularly misinformed, hence the rebuttals to your unsubstantiated, "secret", back room style attempt at aviation analysis. The more you persist, the more of an amateur you appear. Even to your fellow pilots and employees!
Do you really think there is more than 1 or 2 people here that buy your theories? My interest in your posts is purely for their entertainment value. Nothing more. Nothing less. At times I'm almost embarassed for you.
Let's see... When US management makes a statement to you at a meeting, it is incontrovertable truth. When UA management makes a statement you say they are "managing expectations" or saying it for public consumption only. When you quote analysts they are experts. When someone posts a desenting opinion of an analyst you attack their credibility. When UA loses money it is a dire situation and you inflate the amount of the loss. When US loses money you minimize the loss by pointing to one time charges. In fact when anyone shows proof that your theories are nothing more than your own dreams and speculations, you accuse them of "shooting the messenger." When others come up with equally clever theories that do not agree with yours, you ask them to stop posting. When someone asks you legitimate questions you ignore them and never respond.
Do you realize that you are the only one who doesn't see the double standards you apply to everything?
I'm sure you would like nothing more than to have everyone stop posting so that you can preach your "wisdom" and always have the last word. No, Chip... it is not shooting the messenger. In order to shoot the messenger, that messenger would have to be delivering factual information in an unbiased form. If anything it is more akin to shooting the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.
This whole thing is quite off topic, but you invite the criticism by constantly harping on your UCT that "may or may not occur." There is hardly a topic on this board that you do not mention it in some form.
Here is a deal for you... if you stop posting your speculations about United Airlines and stick to purely USAir issues, then the UA folks will not post on the US forum. Deal?
Until then I will continue to be entertained by you.
767jetz
P.S. Why won't you admit that your real motivation is that UA has what you desperately want and US desperately needs? (Long haul flying, widebodies, and world-wide presence) As a psycholgist friend of mine always says... The truth will hurt you before it sets you free!
Furloughedagain
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Sometimes he makes Holly Hegman look like Nostradamus doesn't he?
Don't drink the Kool Aid.
Don't drink the Kool Aid.
USA320Pilot
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767jetz:
Yea, right..but, let's be honest here. The real reason you come to the US Airways board is to find out what's really going on with your company.
Nonetheless, you'll see for your self when United misses the DIP requirements in the not-so-distant future. By the way, who first said on this website that United would miss the DIP requirements?
Chip
P.S. I knew you couldn't except my deal!
Yea, right..but, let's be honest here. The real reason you come to the US Airways board is to find out what's really going on with your company.
Nonetheless, you'll see for your self when United misses the DIP requirements in the not-so-distant future. By the way, who first said on this website that United would miss the DIP requirements?
Chip
P.S. I knew you couldn't except my deal!
Actually there is a kernel of truth to that. But in kind of an inverse way.Chip Munn said:
Speaking just for myself, I know I always like to hear your latest theories, Chip, because they usually represent what will NOT happen. I have noticed a very close and direct correlation to how passionately you propound a certain theory against all logic, and the likelihood that theory will actually come to fruition. Seriously.
For example, the more you harp about U picking up UA's routes and an ICT/UCT, the less likely it is to happen and the more relieved I feel.
Now should you suddenly go bullish on UA, THEN I would be scared.
For example, this week UA reinstates the HKG-SIN route. This is significant because it represents 100% restoration of the SARS-related Asia/Pacific route cutbacks for UA.
Had you acknowledged that (and I was SO surprised that you didn't-- you must have inadvertently overlooked the press release
) and opined how maybe it represents something good for UA, I'd be getting a little nervous.USA320Pilot
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Bear96:
I'm not going to go tit-for-tat with you either, but you are misinformed and do not understand what's occurring on the "inside". In fairness, I would not expect you or most of the other posters in this forum to have access to the type of information I post.
Nonetheless, with all due respect, I disagree with your (and other United employee) comments, which attempt to discredit my posts, and I simply suggested to save bandwidth on the US Airways board, that you and your colleagues take your comments to the United board.
As events continue to unfold, I believe you will see some interesting things happen at both US Airways and United.
Regards,
Chip
I'm not going to go tit-for-tat with you either, but you are misinformed and do not understand what's occurring on the "inside". In fairness, I would not expect you or most of the other posters in this forum to have access to the type of information I post.
Nonetheless, with all due respect, I disagree with your (and other United employee) comments, which attempt to discredit my posts, and I simply suggested to save bandwidth on the US Airways board, that you and your colleagues take your comments to the United board.
As events continue to unfold, I believe you will see some interesting things happen at both US Airways and United.
Regards,
Chip
allegheny1
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This is not right or helpfull:
A few u employees speculate and angry the ual group. In turn the ual group
retaliates in kind.
Get a grip folks. As legacy carriers we NEED EACH OTHER in order to fight
the lcc s , at least until the lcc s start to mature, and their advantage begins
to disappear. Then ,and only then, can we go toe to toe with them letting
the best of the best survive.
If this forum is a microcosm of what happens at much higher levels then both
carriers are doomed.
As a u employee i want ual to emerge from bankruptcy as much in tact as
possible. If i were a ual employee i would want u to start to grow and expand.
Why....because,for the forseeable future, my paycheck depends on that
happening. The go it alone mentality is no longer a viable strategy.
Lets bury the "transaction" speculation on both sides and instead try to find
more ways to co operate.
regards
A few u employees speculate and angry the ual group. In turn the ual group
retaliates in kind.
Get a grip folks. As legacy carriers we NEED EACH OTHER in order to fight
the lcc s , at least until the lcc s start to mature, and their advantage begins
to disappear. Then ,and only then, can we go toe to toe with them letting
the best of the best survive.
If this forum is a microcosm of what happens at much higher levels then both
carriers are doomed.
As a u employee i want ual to emerge from bankruptcy as much in tact as
possible. If i were a ual employee i would want u to start to grow and expand.
Why....because,for the forseeable future, my paycheck depends on that
happening. The go it alone mentality is no longer a viable strategy.
Lets bury the "transaction" speculation on both sides and instead try to find
more ways to co operate.
regards
1. Unlike you, I don't pretend to know what is truly going on on the "inside." And I would submit to you that YOU don't know as much as you think you know either. Any "inside info" that is may be being shared to you is being fed to you with a purpopse and you are being used as a tool by someone to get certain info out to certain people. Wake up.Chip Munn said:
As I have mentioned before, you may end up being right about something or other at some point-- throw enough mud at the wall and eventually some will stick. My beef continues to be how you only point out the bad for UA and the good for U; ignore any info that doesn't fit in with your "message;" and pretend to be only the innocent, non-passionate messenger while anyone who disagrees with you is portrayed by you to be posting because they cannot control their emotions.
2. How magnanimous of you to be concerned with the worldwide bandwidth shortage. (Just like you claim to post about UA solely because it is a business partner of U-- no other reasons, huh? Do you think the rest of us are THAT stupid?) The wordlwide bandwidth shortage problem keeps me up at night too. Maybe you should propose to Dave & Dave that they invest in a bandwidth factory if demand is outpacing supply-- that could make U some money.
3. "Interesting things will happen?!?!" D'ohhh-- now why didn't *I* predict that? I take it all back-- you truly MUST have inside sources sharing things with you and a very gifted and insightful mind!
USA320Pilot
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Bear96:
You're kidding...right?
Regards,
Chip
You're kidding...right?
Regards,
Chip
767jetz
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Chip says: "In fairness, I would not expect you or most of the other posters in this forum to have access to the type of information I post."
767responds: If this is not arrogance in it's most pure form, I don't know what is. Just like the "shooting the messanger" comment. Shooting the messenger implies that the person is only relaying incontrovertable information, and the recipient has no choice but to accept it as fact or stay in denial and kill the messenger. Please! Your arrogance is truly shameful. I will say it again. IMO (and that of most others, UA and US both) you are nothing more than the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.
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Chip says: "As events continue to unfold, I believe you will see some interesting things happen at both US Airways and United."
767responds: YA THINK???!! Gee, what a genious you are indeed. Pontificate all you want Chip. In fairness to you, I know you don't have access to any inside information at United Airlines, therefore you are relegated to speculating with what little misguided info your secret sources see fit to feed you.
We all know what motivates your passion... The desperate desire to take what you have not been able to achieve in your career. With pilot furloughs reaching to within a few years of your seniority, I understand your concern. Remember, the truth will hurt you before it sets you free!
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Bear96 says: "Speaking just for myself, I know I always like to hear your latest theories, Chip, because they usually represent what will NOT happen. I have noticed a very close and direct correlation to how passionately you propound a certain theory against all logic, and the likelihood that theory will actually come to fruition."
"Now should you suddenly go bullish on UA, THEN I would be scared."
767responds: Ditto! And as for mud on the wall, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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allegheny1 says: "Lets bury the "transaction" speculation on both sides and instead try to find
more ways to co operate."
767jetz responds: I agree 100%. This UCT talk is pathetic. as well as highly unlikely. I don't believe there are any UA folks who don't want to see USAir prosper. We just don't want USAir's troubles on top of our own. We also don't like people constantly trying to take what is not theirs. I believe 99.9% of the US employees are top notch, and I would like to see both companies solve their own problems seperately and continue to cooperate as business partners.
767responds: If this is not arrogance in it's most pure form, I don't know what is. Just like the "shooting the messanger" comment. Shooting the messenger implies that the person is only relaying incontrovertable information, and the recipient has no choice but to accept it as fact or stay in denial and kill the messenger. Please! Your arrogance is truly shameful. I will say it again. IMO (and that of most others, UA and US both) you are nothing more than the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.
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Chip says: "As events continue to unfold, I believe you will see some interesting things happen at both US Airways and United."
767responds: YA THINK???!! Gee, what a genious you are indeed. Pontificate all you want Chip. In fairness to you, I know you don't have access to any inside information at United Airlines, therefore you are relegated to speculating with what little misguided info your secret sources see fit to feed you.
We all know what motivates your passion... The desperate desire to take what you have not been able to achieve in your career. With pilot furloughs reaching to within a few years of your seniority, I understand your concern. Remember, the truth will hurt you before it sets you free!
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Bear96 says: "Speaking just for myself, I know I always like to hear your latest theories, Chip, because they usually represent what will NOT happen. I have noticed a very close and direct correlation to how passionately you propound a certain theory against all logic, and the likelihood that theory will actually come to fruition."
"Now should you suddenly go bullish on UA, THEN I would be scared."
767responds: Ditto! And as for mud on the wall, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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allegheny1 says: "Lets bury the "transaction" speculation on both sides and instead try to find
more ways to co operate."
767jetz responds: I agree 100%. This UCT talk is pathetic. as well as highly unlikely. I don't believe there are any UA folks who don't want to see USAir prosper. We just don't want USAir's troubles on top of our own. We also don't like people constantly trying to take what is not theirs. I believe 99.9% of the US employees are top notch, and I would like to see both companies solve their own problems seperately and continue to cooperate as business partners.
Phantom Fixer
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767jetz,
I'd like to buy you a beer after work someday...We do need to resolve our own issues independently..then hopefully prosper collectively via the simple method of code sharing....and nothing more !!
The trick is to keep the most people employed as possible...or it sure a heck should be....beyond that , whats the point if only a few continue to prosper?
I don't want another soul collecting checks from thier respective state for any reason....intergration theories will accomplish that a thousand times over.
I'd like to buy you a beer after work someday...We do need to resolve our own issues independently..then hopefully prosper collectively via the simple method of code sharing....and nothing more !!
The trick is to keep the most people employed as possible...or it sure a heck should be....beyond that , whats the point if only a few continue to prosper?
I don't want another soul collecting checks from thier respective state for any reason....intergration theories will accomplish that a thousand times over.
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Capt. Munn -
No United employee in their right mind would have accepted that tainted "deal". Had you kindly offered to never mention United (or as you have so notably called them in several posts now, Untied) anywhere at anytime, then I am certain you could have sewn it closed. However, you have taken ever opportunity to use any means whatsoever to metaphorically kick sand in their eyes, that anyone with an ounce of dignity would most certainly rebut and refute some of the things you have posted.
During all of the time that US Airways was going through Chptr. 11 proceedings I never witnessed the handful of regular United contributors do anything malicious, mean-spirited or ugly on the US Airways message board. They were kind, supportive, empathetic and concerned. I would have expected no less from you.
I wish you no malice, but I am thoroughly exhausted having to plow through all of the threads to really get to the heart of the publicized heading/subject. Somehow, it always ends up being all about Chip. That would be great if you were my kid and I had plans to make a scrapbook.
Fly Safe
No United employee in their right mind would have accepted that tainted "deal". Had you kindly offered to never mention United (or as you have so notably called them in several posts now, Untied) anywhere at anytime, then I am certain you could have sewn it closed. However, you have taken ever opportunity to use any means whatsoever to metaphorically kick sand in their eyes, that anyone with an ounce of dignity would most certainly rebut and refute some of the things you have posted.
During all of the time that US Airways was going through Chptr. 11 proceedings I never witnessed the handful of regular United contributors do anything malicious, mean-spirited or ugly on the US Airways message board. They were kind, supportive, empathetic and concerned. I would have expected no less from you.
I wish you no malice, but I am thoroughly exhausted having to plow through all of the threads to really get to the heart of the publicized heading/subject. Somehow, it always ends up being all about Chip. That would be great if you were my kid and I had plans to make a scrapbook.
Fly Safe
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I'm not going to argue with anybody, but the information I post comes from reliable Wall Street, News Media, Union, and Company sources.
I recognize some people do not like to hear this news, but it's all true to the best of my knowledge.
There have been and continue to be corporate combination discussions occuring between Untied and US Airways.
In addition, David Bronner and Dave Siegel have both said they are interested in acquiring United assets, therefore, this should be reason enough to believe my comments.
I do not participate or visit the United forum, except when I was notified of the untruthful comments made by Ukridge and UnitedChicago's attempt to limit access to a thread.
My point is simple. If a reader does not like what I post do not respond or participate. In addition, if my information is of no concern, then why do the United employees even bother responding?
Hummmm???????
In conclusion, will something occur? Maybe, maybe not, but with US Airways senior management spending a lot of time with their United counterparts one could assume a deal may be on the horizon, because they are probably are not talking about the code share agreement and alliance, which has already been implemented.
Regards,
Chip
I recognize some people do not like to hear this news, but it's all true to the best of my knowledge.
There have been and continue to be corporate combination discussions occuring between Untied and US Airways.
In addition, David Bronner and Dave Siegel have both said they are interested in acquiring United assets, therefore, this should be reason enough to believe my comments.
I do not participate or visit the United forum, except when I was notified of the untruthful comments made by Ukridge and UnitedChicago's attempt to limit access to a thread.
My point is simple. If a reader does not like what I post do not respond or participate. In addition, if my information is of no concern, then why do the United employees even bother responding?
Hummmm???????
In conclusion, will something occur? Maybe, maybe not, but with US Airways senior management spending a lot of time with their United counterparts one could assume a deal may be on the horizon, because they are probably are not talking about the code share agreement and alliance, which has already been implemented.
Regards,
Chip
