CWA Files for Representation Election

[Overspeed]

John John, you're obviously a legacy US employee who knows very about life as an AA employee, let alone as an agent.

And no, agents aren't the only non-represented group. They're the largest, but there are hundreds of others in a half dozen job classifications who aren't considered management and aren't in an agent classification.

Craft unions serve a purpose. CWA would probably be just as happy to organize bartenders and strippers as they would airport agents, so long as it resulted in dues income...

CWA would be late to the show. The Exotic Dancers Union is affiliated with the SEIU.

Aren't the US Airways agents CWA? AA agents might want to get the CWA just so they don't get screwed if there is a merger with US on seniority.

 

[john john]

And no, agents aren't the only non-represented group. They're the largest, but there are hundreds of others in a half dozen job classifications who aren't considered management and aren't in an agent classification.

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Don’t count them out AA has a alleged repetition to artificially inflated the craft and class numbers with; non-union management, the dead, the terminated, the resigned, and more. This was allegedly done in the past in order to stop any representation election from occurring. It succeeded as planned.

 

[737823]

Those must be some really special pins

No, it's not appropriate to subject customers to your representational issues. As I've said before, there are plenty of union members that provide outstanding service-including Cathay Pacific, Ritz-Carlton, and even some of the United agents. If a workgroup wants to be union represented they are entitled but they should not subject customers to their labor matters.

Josh

 

[john john]

magic union pins for all
On the 12th day of Christmas!

 

[john john]

Too late to gain a seat on the unsecured creditors committe.
I doubt that the agents are going to vote the CWA in. Almost every agent I have asked do not feel that they will gain much by joining a union. Good luck.

http://apsa6001.org/?p=387

With the help of CWA as the New Year begins, American Airline agents have created an Ad Hoc Committee of Passenger Service Agents and filed for legal standing in bankruptcy court to establish proofs of claim in court and to gain legal standing in the case.
CWA helped us obtain counsel to represent our committee. Once we have established legal standing, our counsel can fully participate in any issues raised in the case. They can file objections, request documents, take and attend depositions, submit briefs, examine and cross-examine witnesses in court, and make oral arguments to the judge.

 

[700UW]

The CWA is not the certified bargaining unit, they cant do a thing and even if they unionize, they will have no standing in the bankruptcy court as you dont have a CBA covered under section 1113 and thanks to AMFA, Lee Seeham at ACA, there is no status quo provisions for a newly organized group with no CBA.

And who is going to pay for the lawyers and advisers needed for a group that has no legal standing in the case and are employees at will?

Someone is being mislead big time.

 

[737823]

Seriously, if the CWA can't even prevent concessions from being imposed on the Verizon workers and caved less than two weeks into the strike what do AA CS employees think they'll be able to do for them?

Josh

 

[john john]

Seriously, if the CWA can't even prevent concessions from being imposed on the Verizon workers and caved less than two weeks into the strike what do AA CS employees think they'll be able to do for them?

Josh

http://district2-13.cwa-union.org/news/all/c/verizon
If you don’t think CWA and Verizon have sign employee contracts that are among the best in corporate American you need a history lesson



After the bankrupisty court finishes with the employee groups at AA you are going to wish you had Verizon pay work rules benefits and retirement
http://www.cwa-union.org/news/entry/cwa_board_clears_the_way_for_possible_strike_by_us_airways_passenger_servic#.TwTau65SjnA
CWA Board Clears the Way for Possible Strike By US Airways Passenger Service Agents

http://web.archive.org/web/20041013063944/www.cwa.net/PDFs/ManagementProposal.pdf
This why the US agents voted unanimously to authorize strike action

http://web.archive.org/web/20041024025021/http://www.cwa.net/jumppages/COURTREPORTjump.asp
CWA'ers present their case in bankruptcy court...

http://web.archive.org/web/20041023202829/http://cwa.net/jumppages/CREDITORSCOMMITTEEjump.asp
CWA appointed to bankruptcy creditors committee...

Agents Approve Contract at US Airways
12-23-04
http://www.cwa-union.org/news/entry/agents_approve_contract_at_us_airways#.TwTmO65SjnA

 

[Zom JFK]

Seriously, if the CWA can't even prevent concessions from being imposed on the Verizon workers and caved less than two weeks into the strike what do AA CS employees think they'll be able to do for them?

Josh

CWA workers at verizon caved? Are you kidding? At least they have the courage to fight. What work group are you from Josh?

 

[700UW]

You cant strike upon a CBA abrogation and the CWA reached a deal at US, never did they had a right to strike.

The courts have ruled on this at NW.

And the CWA had an existing CBA at US and were the certified bargaining agent, that isnt the case at AA.

Dont mislead the employees.

 

[john john]

The CWA is not the certified bargaining unit, they cant do a thing and even if they unionize, they will have no standing in the bankruptcy court as you dont have a CBA covered under section 1113 and thanks to AMFA, Lee Seeham at ACA, there is no status quo provisions for a newly organized group with no CBA.

And who is going to pay for the lawyers and advisers needed for a group that has no legal standing in the case and are employees at will?

So you have information that the agents at AA did not file or get help form CWA to obtain counsel for legal standing in bankruptcy court to establish proofs of claim in court

 

[john john]

You cant strike upon a CBA abrogation and the CWA reached a deal at US, never did they had a right to strike.

USAirways management did not want a legal battle trying to exit bankrupisty
Maybe the case at AA

 

[700UW]

If thats is the case why did they want the M&R CBA Abrogated?

 

[700UW]

So you have information that the agents at AA did not file or get help form CWA to obtain counsel for legal standing in bankruptcy court to establish proofs of claim in court

Do you have proof they did?

And the CWA has no legal standing to represent the agents and a current member could sue them for using dues money to represent non-members.

There is nothing in section 1113 to protect non-union employees during the bankruptcy process.

 

[john john]

If thats is the case why did they want the M&R CBA Abrogated?

Management will threaded all employee groups with Abrogated and I sure AA management will do the same. It is all about Bargaining power at the table. Not the concession stand is close and walking away