Dog Wonder
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Anthony Mule' says "It's all about the people".
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- Thread starter Bambi
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He's an idiot.
Its easy to say that Bambi should get another job.
Don't miss the fact she is supporting children.
Any idea how much health insurance costs?
Even if our premium costs are going up, its still MUCH cheaper than trying to pay for it out of pocket, as many employers don't offer any at all.
But if the employer decides to pass the costs on to the employee, a raise should be forthcoming.
Sure, get a higher paying job, but lose your flexibility, and thus end up paying the difference out in child care, and insurance.
LGA Fleet Service
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And thanks to the nitwits that voted yes to the "Combined Union" scam, she will continue to make $7.65 an hour...
As I said before, both unions are more interested in the revenue stream the dues represent than actually doing anything of value for the rank and file.
I'll bet my last nickel the IBT honcho's who've been getting stonewalled by HP management the past what, 18 months on contract negotiations aren't making $7.65 an hour.
Just for sh!ts and giggles, what does a 5 year res agent out east make?
As I said before, both unions are more interested in the revenue stream the dues represent than actually doing anything of value for the rank and file.
I'll bet my last nickel the IBT honcho's who've been getting stonewalled by HP management the past what, 18 months on contract negotiations aren't making $7.65 an hour.
Just for sh!ts and giggles, what does a 5 year res agent out east make?
Hawk
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I am sorry to read about your situation. I am assuming that you are originally AWA. Please don't take my response the wrong way. Supply & Demand controls the market. You can blame the labor unions for the reductions in salary. They must learn to be more efficient with their time. There are many people willing to have an aviation job for $8hr. I know first hand that there are thousands of job applicants that would like an aviation job making $30K in a few years. It is sad to say this, but your job can be outsourced for pennies on the dollar. Period! The Internet growth with only facilitate this possiblity.
So, we should increase salaries based upon the gas prices? You might look into carpooling with a colleague. This was very popular in the DC/VA area as many CCY employees' traveled long distances. With the average home price well over $200K, many professionals making $50K are having a difficult time buying a house. You are not alone in this area. It is tough for many people.
The average health insurance in corporate america for a family is well over $200 per month.
You should contact your union rep in person. I can't speak for your union, but the unions at US are only concerned about collecting dues. They will do anything to keep their dues, even if it means giving up jobs. Look at the IAM for example.
Hmm...corporate forces these employees to work 2nd jobs? You are not under a contract. You can leave at anytime. It amazes me how some employees will stay with a job, even if they are unhappy.
Why should the CEO give up his salary. You must remember that the salaries of the executives are a very, very small percentage of the total labor salary. All of the executives could work for free and it would not put a dent in the picture. You must remember that most of the executives worked hard to gain an education and work their way up the corporate ladder. They deserve every penny that is paid to them. Airways' executives took a salary reduction and gave up their bonuses. They don't have a labor contract to protect their salary. The market decides the salary of every executive. Blame the market, not the executive. The remaining employees should be thankful of the fine work that the executives did on their behalf. The employees, including Pitbull & 700uw have a job today because of the executives.
If I were an executive, I would not lose any sleep, as my salary would be based on my ability to negotiate my salary and would be based on the market.
LGA Fleet Service
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And it worked so well LCC is seeking to hire 30 additional US based English Speaking Res agents for what again?
Outsourced a lot of goodwill from your premium passengers too! Pennies on the dollar to alienate the premium fare passenger the airline craves. Thats accumen!
You packing for PHX yet? Or did you not make the cut?
Unfortunately, Hawk is right. It's simple supply and demand. If you're still there at those wages, and other at least minimally qualified people are standing in line to apply, and the travelling public is unwilling to may more for better service, there is absolutely no incentive for management to raise your wages. That's really all there is to it.
BoeingBoy
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One of the the excuses I just love.....
So tell me Hawk - if the executive salaries are a "very, very small percentage" of total labor costs, what does that make Bambi's salary? Would paying Bambi a few dollars more make a blip on the radar? How about the total of all the res salaries - the blip might just be perceptible, don't you think?
The other excuses I love. There must be some place that gives oversized ego implants to executives.
Let's see - over $3.5 billion (yes, BILLION) in concessions and the execs still can't figure out a way to make a profit. Heck, they can't even figure out how to lower system unit cost. That's some mighty fine business acumen you and your cronies displayed there, Hawk. Maybe if your meager compensation was doubled, y'all could figure out how to increase our costs.....
Jim
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"Hundreds of years of leadership and experience has walked out the door in the last year,"
Explain that one Mr. Hawk
Explain that one Mr. Hawk
Touche, Jim!
Bambi,
I do not mean to sound unsympathetic.
What we are allowing corporate America to do to us is foolish in the long run. Laissez faire capitalism has been tried, and it failed.
I hope I live to see the day when American citizens (not consumers as corporations and this Administration would have you view yourself) reclaim their Constitutional sovereignity.
In the meantime, it is what it is. Is it better for you to upgrade yourself now, while you have input over the matter, or is it better to wait until US furloughs you or cuts your compensation again?
I know it is very difficult - I had a single mother myself, and I understand the sacrifices and stress.
Good luck.
Bambi,
I do not mean to sound unsympathetic.
What we are allowing corporate America to do to us is foolish in the long run. Laissez faire capitalism has been tried, and it failed.
I hope I live to see the day when American citizens (not consumers as corporations and this Administration would have you view yourself) reclaim their Constitutional sovereignity.
In the meantime, it is what it is. Is it better for you to upgrade yourself now, while you have input over the matter, or is it better to wait until US furloughs you or cuts your compensation again?
I know it is very difficult - I had a single mother myself, and I understand the sacrifices and stress.
Good luck.
L
luvn737s
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Bambi-
You need to be the one to control the revenue to YOU and the only way devised yet to do that is to work for yourself. Anything else is an emotional response to fear of strike, guilt, or apprehension about lost sales (or increased costs) due to insufficient and/or unqualified labor.
No change in adminstration, or leadership or economic system will change that. Working for the "man" demands that the "man" get paid more (otherwise, why would he/she bother). Being the "man" is a risky thing and it doesn't always mean you make more, but your efforts aren't exploited to benefit another.
Unless you're an airline.
You need to be the one to control the revenue to YOU and the only way devised yet to do that is to work for yourself. Anything else is an emotional response to fear of strike, guilt, or apprehension about lost sales (or increased costs) due to insufficient and/or unqualified labor.
No change in adminstration, or leadership or economic system will change that. Working for the "man" demands that the "man" get paid more (otherwise, why would he/she bother). Being the "man" is a risky thing and it doesn't always mean you make more, but your efforts aren't exploited to benefit another.
Unless you're an airline.
bulldog
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I'll bet my last nickel the IBT honcho's who've been getting stonewalled by HP management the past what, 18 months on contract negotiations aren't making $7.65 an hour.
Just for sh!ts and giggles, what does a 5 year res agent out east make?
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While it is true that across the board the pay scale in the old HP is low, that is only part of the story.
While many call centers have a pay scale that starts at 10.00 per hour or more, they charge hugh amounts for medical, dental ect ect. Coupled with lack of flexibility. Also we have flight benifits.
Most of the Res agents I know work for the great part time benifits, and the flexibility of schedules, and the ability to travel. Having said that, I agree that we need to be realistic and understand that 7.65 isnt a fair and realistic $ amount. On the other hand paying a res agent or CSR 20.00 per hour also is unrealistic.
Remember prior to the vote to unionise RES/CSR at US/WEST a pretty comprehensive pay raise over 3 years was offered, and the agents got year 1 of that raise (7% i think). You voted that down.
As others here have said, you may need to find alternate employement to substain your financial needs.
just my personal opinion
Just for sh!ts and giggles, what does a 5 year res agent out east make?
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While it is true that across the board the pay scale in the old HP is low, that is only part of the story.
While many call centers have a pay scale that starts at 10.00 per hour or more, they charge hugh amounts for medical, dental ect ect. Coupled with lack of flexibility. Also we have flight benifits.
Most of the Res agents I know work for the great part time benifits, and the flexibility of schedules, and the ability to travel. Having said that, I agree that we need to be realistic and understand that 7.65 isnt a fair and realistic $ amount. On the other hand paying a res agent or CSR 20.00 per hour also is unrealistic.
Remember prior to the vote to unionise RES/CSR at US/WEST a pretty comprehensive pay raise over 3 years was offered, and the agents got year 1 of that raise (7% i think). You voted that down.
As others here have said, you may need to find alternate employement to substain your financial needs.
just my personal opinion
L
luvn737s
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What kind of vacation can you have on $7.65/hr? Fly to SAN, load your stuff in a shopping cart and head for the beach? Sleep under one of those boxes they ship bikes in? C'mon. The flight benefits are useless if you can't afford to go anywhere or take the time off to travel. There may be reasons to stay, but they don't pay the bills.
bulldog
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well said I agree 7.65 is not realistic. What would you say is a fair wage for a new res agent??
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luvn737s
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I don't know, since I'm not hiring one. But if I want to be picky, I've got to be willing to pay. My point is that the advertised benefit of travel priviledges are no real benefit at all. For most people (I would hazard to guess) they equate to about $0.30-0.40 an hour if used for vacation travel. Less if you have to sell back the vacation to pay the oil bill.
