Common Core-In Your Schools

"Guess the Greek civilization wasn't all that, if they fell so easily.....................NEXT! "


Self validating low information posters.

Thank You.
 
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What dd he say?

I didn't say all this

I said the three paragraphs of your original post

I didn't say it was BS

I had a far better, and more accurate description of it.



Ifly2
Posted 01 October 2013 - 10:06 PM

The article you posted

Every sentence of which was an outright lie

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And none that even one of the claims made i your original post are even remotely true.



Ifly2
Posted 02 October 2013 - 12:43 AM

Back at ya Dude

Every word in your original source was a lie

I see you've failed to substantiate your allegations.
 
That would be you, Dellusional Dude

Thank you for playing

Read much?

Any thing?

( other than the extreme radical right wing propaganda, and outright fear mongering lies and fairy tales you regurgitate here? )
 
Still waiting for you to substantiate your allegations.

You are the OP

Back up your BS
 
The Obama tornadoes wreak destruction everywhere as he and his minions prune, trim and reshape America. He and his demolition team could care less about broken legs and ripped off arms here and there. The lights are humming and buzzing as the Obama monster is getting ready to get up from the table and finish the job. Will we let him? I won’t insult Frankenstein. I would prefer him to the Obama monster being built.



Where is the Obama vision taking us
Schools—There will be only one—Common Core

Everything must be one—controlled and shaped by Obama and his handlers. As in the days of Adolph Hitler, Obama must take over the minds and futures of our children. He will rise up an army of obedient ‘Stepford wives’ happily serving big Government and Obama. They will stop dreaming about becoming a Doctor, Firefighter, Pastor or Teacher. They will only think of their appointed place in the ‘Global Community’ ‘Private-Public Partnerships’ and latest ‘redistribution of wealth scheme ordered by Obama and his staff. Commentator and investigative journalist Sher Zieve (regular on my national radio show each Monday) captured this Nazi spirit beautifully in her article.

Through Common Core—public then charter schools are becoming nothing but deadly indoctrination centers to push porn, the gay agenda, Islam and sustainability. History is rewritten to leave a strong impression of shame and need to submit and apologize to the world. This is obviously inspired by our poser President who does nothing but apologize to the world for America.



As our new and improved ‘Sustainability model’ kids turn into perverted and globalist hacks, God of the Holy Bible and parents rights will be a thing of the past. Right and wrong, sin and evil will become fossils to be viewed in the back room of a museum. Obama and his backers will sooner or later control all curriculums in every school in America that are recognized. Homeschoolers will be increasingly persecuted and regulated until they are even more underground—then gone. Achievement and exceptionalism will be gone. What will remain is a sea of ‘Unitarian’ ‘one size fits all’ low achieving surfs.

The battle against Common Core is going on in many states. Shockingly there are many ‘alleged’ ‘conservatives’ pushing for Common core. They say it is a victory for conservatives. I figure, either these ‘conservatives’ pulled a ‘Nancy Pelosi’ and planned to read it later, but support it now because it is the trend, OR…they are progressive, sustainable traitors, just hiding behind the conservative limelight and sound bites. My guess is it is the latter.

I have been interviewing every Friday, Christina Michas, www.natcure.org who is a bold leader in this movement against Common core. She stated on my show that nearly all our states signed up for Common Core and were seduced by the Government contest ‘Race to the top.’ This was nothing but a money bribe to swipe educational and state sovereign away from the States. It worked, just like ObamaCare.

Now the horror show is upon the states. Most every state is now drowning in red ink and realizing what the Common Core curriculum really teaches. They are now pushing back. States now see the ‘new world order-sustainability agenda peppered all through it. They are seeing the perverted sex education void of any Judeo/Christian values. They are seeing the push for Islamic teaching and the rewriting and destruction of real U.S. history. How is it that some ‘conservatives’ are still behind this?

Inspired and powerful works like our Constitution and Bill of Rights are put down and ignored in Common Core. Instead kids read instructional manuals from the EPA, IRS, Sustainability, U.N. and other Government controlled groups. Common Core is evil and perverted communism at its heart. Any conservative or conservative group who says they are for this is dead wrong!

Healthcare will become one
Obama, stealing once again from Adolph Hitler, must control our Health care system. Obama knows as Hitler did that the dumbed down masses will be stupid enough to fall for the national promises of ‘health care’ and ‘fairness’ for all. Obama threw out the deadly and lying health care message spiders in a net across our nation. These spiders have bitten most media and people all over and are far more deadly than Black widows.

I find it most interesting and indeed symbolic, if not planned…that the Affordable Care Act was voted and signed into law on March 23rd 2010. On March 23rd, 1933 ‘Hitler’s Enabling Act’ was also signed into law. In the occult, symbols and dates are critical and observed. There is growing evidence that Obama is Islamic and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and plays in the Occult on a regular basis. Did he arrange to sign his controlling Health care bill into law the same day, March 23rd, to symbolically and satanically tie into the dark side power of Hitler’s Enabling Act? I think so.

We are seeing the fight back and forth between the House and Senate, with the nation rising up against ObamaCare. Poll after poll shows that Americans have awakened to the unaffordable horrors in this bill. Insurance rates have been rising while the health exchanges are creating Insurance monopolies (just as planned). Insurance companies are going out of business, while death panels and ridiculous lines are killing our seniors. Thousands all across America are losing their jobs, working hours and health care. Obama says there is no national evidence that the economy or jobs are being lost due to ObamaCare. He lies.

As ObamaCare prunes, rips and shreds, everything is moving toward a big Government system…one system controlled by Obama. Obama will be able to target his enemies through this bill and People will die. Money will be stolen and reputations smeared. Get ready, folks.

Guns will be controlled by Obama and the U.N.—One
Obama must have control of our guns to complete his dictatorship goals, just as Hitler did with Hitler’s Enabling act in 1933 that gave Hitler ‘temporary’ dictatorial power to take all the guns from German citizens. He legally seduced the people and they bought it. He was a ‘savior’ for a while, just like Obama. The more you dig into history the more Obama and Hitler have in common.

Obama has tried many times to get gun control passed through the House and Senate, but to no avail. He has failed slamming through the front door so has gone as usual to the U.N. and played the ‘treaty’ card. Even though the liberal controlled Senate passed an amendment to stop Obama from entering the U.N. Arms Trade treaty, Obama found a sneaky way around it and did it anyway. Obama could care less about the Democrats, law or Senate rules. He has an agenda of gun control to fulfill and he will do what it takes to be the ‘one’ who controls the guns.

Obama plans to be ‘the one.’ He plans to control health care, all energy sources, jobs, schools and kids, guns, speech and religious choices. I don’t know that he is the Anti Christ as warned about and talked about through out the Holy Bible, but if not, he is a bold precursor.

Sadly for Obama he will find out one day that he is not ‘the one’ but Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible is and he doesn’t plan to give up His position as God.
 
There, now everyone can see how factually far off base this "source" is.

A blog

Not news

Not reporting

Not research

Not even considered commentary

Not even a Drudge editorial or a Limbaugh rant

A frickin' blog

And a radio talk show!

Ad $$$.

Bucketloads of 'em
For telling scared little men what they want to hear.
 
Pockets of rebellion... Outrage from a few. And it truly is, proportionally, a few. One of whom is home schooling out of a 1920's spelling book.

A parent's right, yes. Smart? Not so much....

Interesting that the articles you post cite resistance in states that already have abysmal educational systems.

Nothing much else to see here, and I read them all.

Some criticisms... Some probably valid, some probably reactionary and knee jerk responses to change.

Some patently false.

Like that it is being forced on the states, while at the same time -some- states are not adopting them.

I agreed that there would be some criticisms in the beginning. I even listed most of the ones in your references.

You have not provided anything to support your original post, or the claims you personally made re the subjects covered or the states being forced to adopt CC.

Incentivized, or bribed even if you want to spin it it the worst possible light, is not the same as forced.

I think it is really what it is. An effort to help improve education in math and science. With standards and accountability.

I am really not qualified to judge its effectiveness. My experience, training, and education is pretty much all aviation, not K-12 education.

Are you?

Is yours?

So, let's see...

Still.not.one.iota.of.evidence.that.Any.thing, even.One.thing, in your original post is valid.

And yes, I do read, a lot. Good stuff too. Not just news articles that satisfy my urge for confirmation of how I feel.

Recently finished War and Peace again. Working on Crime and Punishment now.

Do you?

This was good too... And it is free...

http://archive.org/stream/ageofreason00painiala#page/6/mode/2up

Or, an easier to read site...

http://www.deism.com/images/theageofreason1794.pdf
Pockets of rebellion and resistance from a few? Interesting, what data did you use to determine that it is a “proportionally” few who disagree with common core Standards? Interesting that you cite resistance in states that have abysmal educational systems but fail to acknowledge that these same states (45 to date) have already adapted to common core standards with no appreciable improvement in educational quality. You also failed to explain why it wouldn’t be smart for a parent to challenge a system that, for all intent and purposes, is a failure?

In your circular argument you say “nothing much else to see here, and I read them all” but then acknowledge that some of the criticism is valid. What it is you are trying to say? Are you saying that from your “smart” parent prospective it would not appropriate for a parent to address valid concerns? Is the quality of education, which you admit has been an enduring failure, something you just throw money at, turn your back, and hope the “change” will be successful?

Smart? Not so much….

The states that adopt common core standards will be granted federal funding, the 5 states that haven’t get federal funding cut. There is a penalty being levied by the federal government for the states that elect not to toe the line. I’m guessing that a super smart parent like yourself who proves their superior genius by naming the books they’ve read (wow, who knew it was that simple) could appreciate the genius behind cutting federal education funding in order to improve accumulative educational quality.

The most value added and economical way to single handedly improve the educational standard in at least 2 states would be to simply relocate you to West Virginia. The IQ average in both states would rise considerably.

In this noble effort to improve education in math and science, where is “accountability” factored in? With every effort to apply “accountability” to an ineffective teacher/professor comes tenure. Let me know when you come to terms with the fact that not every professional educator is actually a professional educator. Federal funds help shore up ineffective educators that cannot be fired. Where in common core standards is this issue addressed?

For a person who claims not to be qualified to judge the effectiveness of common core standards, how do you know that common core standards will be effective? Wouldn’t being a parent, having children in school, basically qualify you to judge? Let’s get real up in here, if you’re not qualified to judge the effectiveness of common core standards, all your posts to defend it are nothing more than mindless fear mongering with no substance.

I have the qualifications to judge the effectiveness of common core standards. I have 6 children, all but 1 have graduated college, he will graduate next year. My only complaint? Couldn’t get rid of the ineffective and lazy educators!

I graduated from college with 2 aerospace degrees, studied criminal law and learned to question all forms of authority. I have 35 years of experience in commercial aviation and engineering. You decide. I’m I qualified to judge the effectiveness of common core standards? My education goes well beyond that learned from reading “war and peace” and “crime and punishment”. In your world, reading a blog page titled “age of reason” is all you need to know to "reason".

On a slightly different note and more to your statement about “easily read”, since your writing style is only somewhat more advanced than that of Black Bears, you might want to practice more on effective writing skills to help you convey your pretzel logic.

Not an easy read
 
Knot,

I try to write on here fairly short answers. There is no good way to convey thought about a complex subject on a MB, and no point in writing well constructed posts that are not read.

It was not my intent to defend CC, or to argue its merit or its effectiveness, and I never did.

It was my intent to speak out against the madness in the original post. That led to refuting Dell's inaccurate - or dishonest - whichever they were, claims.

I said that Dell's original post, and his later statements, were full of BS, dishonest, lacking in truth and facts, and nothing more than the low information ravings of a fear monger selling ad time by telling scared little men what they want to hear. Essentially, Mommy Roth confirming the little boys' fears. All for $$$.

( More or less... And it was and is, and they were and are...)

There is not one fact in his original post. It is all, at best, conjecture, or what the writer thinks or is afraid, might, happen. At worst it is nothing more than opportunistic fear mongering and hate for sale. The few "facts" in the entire article are historically incorrect, and have been disproven by simple reference to actual history, repeatedly. Still... They keep getting repeated by the extreme right "media", and regurgitated by their followers.

Shades of Goehring.

I flat out said that I was not qualified to judge the effectiveness of CC, but you accuse me of doing so. Read, for comprehension, much?

Two degrees and 35 yrs. of experience in a wide range of aviation jobs/functions, including doing a ton of training here, too. Big deal. Doesn't make me an expert on everything, or on anything else. I happen to think that the teachers using this stuff are more qualified to judge it's worth than I am, as I am more qualified to comment on an airline's pilot training program than they are.

Being a parent, or having a kid in school, makes me no more qualified to judge CC's value than the typical passenger is qualified to judge whether a flight is operated as safely and efficiently as possible, or whether or not the airplane was well designed or is well maintained.

That is not the same as not caring, or as not having an opinion.

Reading the standards and program itself, about the principles of K-12 education, and about history of and the of the effectiveness of various previous methods and programs, etc., absolutely would improve a parent's ability to make that judgement. Reading the Canada Free Press, or Dell's posts, not so much...

I did say that I think it is an honest attempt by good people to improve education.

Are you qualified to judge that it isn't, or won't.

Can anyone make that judgement, so soon after it's introduction?

Objectively, I think not.

Have an opinion, yea, sure. Make an objective valuation? How? There is no data, or even a significant body of anecdotal "evidence", to be evaluated.

Yet you claim that it "is a failure".

"It may eventually prove to be..." I would have to agree with. "Is..." is impossible to substantiate, at this point in time.

Relevant to the decision to implement CC, or anything else, someone has to make a judgement whether it is likely to be an improvement, considered against the options of either doing nothing or implementing some other standards/program. The states are free to make that choice. If they choose some "local" standards and/or program, they may have to pay for it with local $$$. That seems exactly in agreement with the traditional conservative position.

Dellusional asked if I read. I answered that I did, with some examples. Always have, voraciously, everything from the bible and Dr. Seuss and the Encyclopedia as a kid, to Clancy, tons of history, to (some of...) the classics as an adult. I was just answering his question, not claiming that it alone made me educated, or "smart". I will maintain that reading the sorts of stuff I mentioned is more enlightening and educational than the Canada Free Press, or any of the hyper-political material found on the "partisan" sites. For current affairs, the W$J, NYT, the Economist, CSM are reliable, if you take their bias into account. Otherwise, I look for well written and well researched articles, and turn up the BS/bias filter. None of us have the time to thoroughly research everything from the source materials, but we don't have to waste our time with sources that are openly, and hostilely ideological.

IMO, it is also worth remembering that when our historical figures and heroes "read the law", or " studied mathematics", it meant just that. They read, or studied. They didn't sit in a classroom and have it spoon fed to them. Being educated, or learned, didn't mean that they had "been educated", or "attended university", or "graduated with degrees". It meant that they read, and thought. Obviously they thought critically, and didn't just accept the establishment version of order, or appropriate thinking.

Lastly, I would have assumed that someone as educated as yourself, especially with your expressed appreciation for this country's history and the people that created it, would know that The Age of Reason is a bit more than just a blog by some self appointed expert or unknown bigmouth. It is the culmination of Thomas Paine's lifetime of keen observation and critical thinking. The Age of Reason is widely praised as the masterpiece of a widely respected patriot, thinker, writer, scholar and supporter/catalyst for the the American Revolution.

Dismiss it as a blog?

Seriously?

I think this is reasonably clearly written. If you have trouble with it, perhaps slow down and see if you can understand it. Unless, of course, your real intent is not to understand, but rather just to criticize.

If you have trouble with this, I can certainly understand your not being able to "get" Paine, or even Twain. I am not in any way comparing myself to them, just saying that sometimes comprehension, and thought, requires effort.

Sncerely,
 
Made it so easy a kid with ADD could comprehend it.

And invisible

Not one iota of evidence

Not even an anecdote or two

That substantiate anything in your original post

At least not that anyone can see in print on here

Maybe in your own mind?

(That would be a good example of Dellusion...)
 
Knot, L&G,

The Dellusional Dude's post had nothing to say about the educational value of CC in the areas it applies to, Math and English.

It did claim that somehow these Math and English standards will be an extremely, no, ultimately and universally, effective agent of social engineering. It claims that these Math and English standards will singlehandedly transform all of America's children into some new kind of pre-programmed, unthinking, uber-obedient neo-nazi Hitler Bomots.

It was that idiocy that did, and do, refute.
 
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I'm amused by your slurs and slanders as a deception from your total lack of knowledge of the issue.

Wake up and smell the roses....the program is becoming a dismal failure in many states already.....you should do as you say...read more.

America is the pilot program.......
 
Knot, L&G,

The Dellusional Dude's post had nothing to say about the educational value of CC in the areas it applies to, Math and English.

It did claim that somehow these Math and English standards will be an extremely, no, ultimately and universally, effective agent of social engineering. It claims that these Math and English standards will singlehandedly transform all of America's children into some new kind of pre-programmed, unthinking, uber-obedient neo-nazi Hitler Bomots.

It was that idiocy that did, and do, refute.
Yes, Math and English. It's imperative that we teach our children a new English language with new expressions to explain how balancing a national checkbook can't possibly lead to economic destruction for all. Math problem: how do you cover 32 million uninsured people for a mere 980 million dollars? Easy. Sell it with new English and Math by lying out our ass. Simple huh?
 
I'm amused by your slurs and slanders as a deception from your total lack of knowledge of the issue.

Wake up and smell the roses....the program is becoming a dismal failure in many states already.....you should do as you say...read more.

America is the pilot program.......
See that book right there . . War and Peace, there's your answer and everyone gets a trophy!
 
"....the program is becoming a dismal failure in many states already....."

And the evidence, or Substantiation, for your claim is...?

Please don't say Mommy Roth, Rush, or xxxx. Said so....
 

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