Clt Observer On Cwa - Company Meeting

Ch. 12 said:
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That is why I mentioned WN. They have superior customer service with fewer employees. Interesting...
Thats because their system is so much easier to handle on a day to day basis.
They dont..... upgrade, interline, handle international, take dogs, do they do counter to counter, limited unaccompanied kids, seat assignments and any other number of items that their agents dont have to worry about at the counter (to slow the line) while US agents are having to do all of these at various times. 1 international reissue can tie up an agent for as much as 30 minutes, 1 PDQ can take 5-10 minutes depending on what is in it and how much info the shipper provides, try getting a family seated together on a 4 leg segment when they are all in different records, etc.... to lump them in together and say X is better than Y is not a fair comparison. If US agents didnt have to handle any of the "extras" or Full Service items the company keeps harping on as being better service, then I would say it would probably be a toss up in many cities.

As an example- yesterday we had an internationl group of about 20. With Sabre, only 1 person can be in the record at a time putting in the required international info (passport and contact info) so 1 agent or 2 with great timing get tied up with a group checking documents and putting the info in. Meanwhile, I get to work the rest of the line by myself (cutbacks leave 2 agents to work the main line in the middle of the day). I'm sure everyone in the line was thinking about how slow we were and how "great" the customer service was they were getting. It wasnt the agents fault that they were getting "the treatment", its the system and requirements we have to go by. I was actually the First Class checkin so when someone was in that line, everyone else had to wait. I'm sure if they were in the WN line, they would have been moved thru faster because there would have been no need to put in the intl info and they wouldnt have had any of the FC people cutting in front of them, hence their perception would have been of great service. They are two totally different products with different requirements and limitations placed on the agents so if we werent required to do the "full service" items, I feel we could do it better on a whole easily.
 
Yes, Tad, that's why U is trying to change into a simpler model. Not exactly WN, but simpler. Simpler, with appropriate, not excessive, automation, means fewer employee per passenger, perhaps, drastically fewer employees per RPM. Not as few as WN, but fewer. I'd argue that U should pay those that remain MORE than WN. I'd further argue that U should make the career path for F/A and 'rampers' apex at customer service. But, I really don't know what I'm talking about.

I'd say that for me, automation that works pretty consistently and when it doesn't or I have a special problem a human being who solves the problem in a snap is the kind of customer service that gets my attention.
 
tadjr,

You bring up a number of hidden costs of the US system. Along those lines, while I have been a proponent of increased distribution of kiosks, I think the current kiosk technology is putting the cart before the horse.

What happens in an outstation when there are irregular ops? A full 757 heading to a hub with connections is going to be quite a disaster with the current system.

I must note, though, that NW seems to be doing a pretty good job with this very issue. They don't handle it at the outstation in most cases. Instead, they take care of the reroutes at the hubs. An agent will be assigned to the incoming flight, and while the flight is enroute, pax are protected on later flights. When the inbound arrives, all of the new boarding passes are issued and ready to go. All they need is the name, and they pull it out of the pile (sorted by name, of course), and hand the new packet to the passenger. The packet includes a phone card, food coupon, and coupon for discount on future NW flights.

It takes about five seconds per passenger, so an entire full 757 can be handled in about 15 minutes. Since that's not much longer than it takes for the aircraft to empty, and the process starts long before the last passenger deplanes, the total increase in time to process everyone is about five minutes.

The NW system was based on the analysis done after the hellish problem in DTW a few years back.
 
I always thought we had a better operation when agents were agents, and could move freely between fleet and customer service.

In most small and medium operations, one could be scheduled counter one day, ramp the next, and then gates.

U divvied up fleet and customer service in small and medium operations BEFORE there were any unions, although the unions put the final nail in it.

Having said that, U could STILL cross-utilize agents in class II operations - beats me why they don't. You'd increase productivity, and have employees knowledgeable in ALL station operations - surely a desireable thing.

U has gone the other way - trying to dumb down the jobs, so that anybody (at $8) could do them.

It isn't working. There are a raft of recent service bulletins saying so.
 
I have no problem with the automation, I myself prefer self checkout and use it all the time, but there are MANY people who dont want to deal with a computer. This is even more so here in Grandma land. I know not everyone over 65 is scared of a computer (one of the fastest newbies on the kiosk I've seen was grandma, must have been the video poker experience from the casino... :p ) but not all of them like or want to deal with it. As long as they are given a reasonable option of having a human around, then I have no problem with it. However, given the current limitations on the kiosk checkin (it still has problems quite often) and the cutbacks involved (at certain parts of the day we have 1 regular checkin/ 1 FC checkin/ and 2 at kiosk), I just hope the company doesnt think everything is hunky dory because we have a fancy kiosk machine when in fact it still has major limitations and often requires quite a bit of human touch on a daily basis. I dont know how much info gets passed on above about just how limited it is (even with all the upgrades they've done to it recently) and think we are just a bunch of whiners. It still has problems when a ticket has been changed (inculding reissues from a schedule change which we all know never happens at US), major UA eticket problems when they dont come thru the system, multiple same names on a flight, and many other situations where it cant find someone. If they are going to go for automation, then they better make sure that they are doing everything they can to get the problems being addressed corrected asap. I dont think anyone is fooling themselves that CARS and kiosks arent here to stay. The problem is that now that we have kiosks, CCY seems to think everything is perfect and there arent any or many problems and they dont understand why all the fuss. Maybe its time for another visit to watch the kiosks at work. Its often easier for me to just do it and be done with it instead of taking the customer through the process only to not have it work for one reason or another.
 
700UW said:
Self checkouts cut jobs, just like a kiosk.
Its at a new Superwalmart that just opened that doesnt have UNION jobs anyway so no union members were hurt in my shopping habits. :shock: And none of the supermarkets in my area are unionized so I'm not taking a union job away from them either. Not everything in my life revolves around the union.
 
It is about jobs, not unions.

The Wal-Mart where I lived just laid-off six cashiers due to the instillation of self-check outs.
 
mweiss said:
The horror! :shock: Keeping jobs around for the sake of making work is a genuine waste.
It is called keeping people employed to earn a living and support their families, something I guess you can't fathom.

Go find a bicycle, vacuum, VCR, or TV manufactured in the United States.
 
700UW said:
It is called keeping people employed to earn a living and support their families, something I guess you can't fathom.
It's called having their employment contribute something useful, rather than giving them a job for the sake of having a job. Something I guess you can't fathom. <_<
 
mweiss said:
It's called having their employment contribute something useful, rather than giving them a job for the sake of having a job. Something I guess you can't fathom. <_<
Spoken like the next Ken Lay.

Guess you can't fathom if people don't have a job they can't buy the goods and services business is selling.
 
700UW said:
It is called keeping people employed to earn a living and support their families, something I guess you can't fathom.

Go find a bicycle, vacuum, VCR, or TV manufactured in the United States.
Actually about 2.2 million televisions (21+ inches) were produced in the united states in 2003.
 
700UW said:
Spoken like the next Ken Lay.

Guess you can't fathom if people don't have a job they can't buy the goods and services business is selling.
You must really miss the 1960s in Moscow?
 

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