BREAKING NEWS: US Airways Election Dates Announced!

[usairways_vote_NO]

OK Lavman I will let you and the IBT off the hook LOL....Your lawsuit is a moot point......Of course you didn't know but I did...

January 2, 2013


NLRB Rules that Union Dues Checkoff Survives Contract Expiration
by Constantinos G. Panagopoulos and Amy L. Bashore

An employer that deducts union dues from employees’ wages (dues checkoff) under a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) must now continue to do so after the CBA expires. According to a recent National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) ruling, the dues checkoff obligation continues after CBA expiration until the parties reach either a new agreement or a valid bargaining impasse. The 3-1 decision in WKYC-TV, Inc., issued on December 12, 2012, overrules 50 years of precedent to the contrary. Because of the previous long-standing precedent, the Board’s decision will apply only prospectively.

http://www.ballardsp...expiration.aspx

Oh wait maybe the NMB says differently LOL Since this was a NLRB ruling and ruled only on contract expiration..not so fast BLUE collar Lavman...

 

[Kev3188]

If the IAM is voted out, and the IBT voted in, they would simply administer the current CBA until a new one is negotiated/ratified. That would include maintaining whatever current language covers IAMNPF participation.

If the end run is NO union, then the CBA is no longer in effect, and contributions going forward would cease. Current participants in the IAMNPF wouldn't lose what they currently have accrued/vested, but they wouldn't accumulate further service credit or contributions, either. It's basically the same as a "normal" pension being frozen.

Am I missing something here?

 

[700UW]

Kevin,

I been saying the same thing over and over and yet the Board Lawyers cant comprehend it.

But as you see Glass at NW screwed the PFAA with the DCO and that language was contractual also.

 

[blue collar]

Kevin,

I been saying the same thing over and over and yet the Board Lawyers cant comprehend it.

But as you see Glass at NW screwed the PFAA with the DCO and that language was contractual also.

No, you haven't been saying it. You've been saying the IAMNPF would stop collecting $2/hr towards the pension, effectively freezing it. In the CBA it says the company would pay. So which is it?

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Kevin,

I been saying the same thing over and over and yet the Board Lawyers cant comprehend it.

But as you see Glass at NW screwed the PFAA with the DCO and that language was contractual also.

Answer the question Blue Collar Lavman (700UW) due to caselaw will the conpany cease dues check-off if/when the IBT wins the election?

Answer the question Blue Collar Lavman (700UW) Were you permanently banned from this board as Lavman for threats you made and now post as 700UW?

 

[700UW]

Read this S L O W L Y and maybe you will get it.

The IAMNPF and all IAM officials have stated and put letters out, if the ibt wins, the IAMNPF will cease to accept money for the former IAM represented M&R employees.

US will keep the $2 and the ibt will have to negotiate something.

Fleet has specific language in regards to what happens if they no longer are in the plan, M&R doesnt.

Prove otherwise that the IAMNPF will accept the money when they clearly stated they wont.

You can only be in the plan if you are an IAM member or in a coordinated bargaining unit per the plan trustees.

I showed case law when there was a change in representation at NW with the ibt being voted out and the PFAA being voted in. The DCO language in the CBA stated the IBT, not the PFAA. Gerry Glass refused to take the money out of the Flight Attendants paychecks and pass it on to the PFAA.

The PFAA sued and lost, the PFAA was forced into asking for voluntary contributions from its members, and negotiated a concessionary contract with NW and then had new DCO language in it.

Sorry if you dont like the facts, but that is what will happen and what has happened.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Read this slowly and you BCL still won't get it as you are blind by IAM love.

Read this S L O W L Y and maybe you will get it.

The IAMNPF and all IAM officials have stated and put letters out, if the ibt wins, the IAMNPF will cease to accept money for the former IAM represented M&R employees.

The talk and letters are political rhetoric aimed at swaying voters to vote IAM. They can say whatever they want then do whatever they want after election. It is a fact that if the IAM said the Pension would stay as is it would be political suicide...Not that it matters anyway.

US will keep the $2 and the ibt will have to negotiate something.

You are speculating and have no idea what US has to or will do. The only people that can kick the group out of the Pension is the trustees.In that case no one knows what US will do.

Fleet has specific language in regards to what happens if they no longer are in the plan, M&R doesnt.

I showed you the Pension and CBA proof already. There is nothing in there that automatically kicks the group out of the Pension

Prove otherwise that the IAMNPF will accept the money when they clearly stated they wont.

I already did.The proof is in the Pension Summary. The Trustees are the only ones that can remove the group from Pension. That can't come until after election. Letters from God can't change those facts.

You can only be in the plan if you are an IAM member or in a coordinated bargaining unit per the plan trustees.

I already posted the Pension language on this and the Trustees have not removed the group.

I showed case law when there was a change in representation at NW with the ibt being voted out and the PFAA being voted in. The DCO language in the CBA stated the IBT, not the PFAA. Gerry Glass refused to take the money out of the Flight Attendants paychecks and pass it on to the PFAA.

WTH does that have to do with the clear language that says the $2.00 will be taken out. Now dues check-off for the IBT is another matter.

The PFAA sued and lost, the PFAA was forced into asking for voluntary contributions from its members, and negotiated a concessionary contract with NW and then had new DCO language in it.

Liar, the PFAA was voted out. "The PFAA refused and, for the duration of their presence on the property, they relied on the voluntary collection and contribution of dues." http://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/180

Sorry if you dont like the facts, but that is what will happen and what has happened.

You are the one that can't deal with facts and keeps grasping at IAM straws to keep dues payers money flowing in your pockets. Everyone knows your agenda BLUE COLLAR LAVMAN

 

[700UW]

World Socialist Web Site
wsws.org


Unions for flight attendants, pilots agree to huge concessions at Northwest Airlines

By Jerry Isaacs
4 March 2006

The union representing 5,000 pilots at Northwest Airlines, the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), reached a tentative agreement with the airline Friday morning, the day after a federal bankruptcy court postponed its ruling on the company’s request to throw out its labor agreement and impose lower wages and benefits on the pilots.
Earlier in the week, negotiators for the Professional Flight Attendants Association (PFAA), which represents 8,500 workers, reached a tentative agreement with the airline.

The agreements, which will allow the airline to slash jobs and sharply reduce labor costs, were reached by union officials as the anger of rank-and-file workers was rising, along with support for a strike against the concessions demands. Pilots voted by a 92 percent margin for a walkout, while flight attendants were still being polled when the PFAA reached the agreement.
US Bankruptcy Judge Allan Gropper twice extended the deadline on nullifying the labor agreements in order to give the union bureaucracy time to accept the airline’s demands.

Announcing the deal, Captain Mark McClain, chairman of ALPA’s Northwest Airlines unit, said, “The tentative agreement is a painful but necessary part of a successful restructuring of Northwest Airlines. If all of us can distance ourselves from these recent labor struggles and focus on ensuring the future success of Northwest we can begin looking forward to our emergence from bankruptcy as a proud and profitable airline.”

Union officials have refused to release details about the number of jobs that will be cut and what pay and benefit reductions pilots and flight attendants will be forced to accept. The tentative agreements will be brought before the workers for a vote.
The enormous setback for pilots and flight attendants is the outcome of the treachery of the ALPA, PFAA and International Association of Machinists (IAM), all of which scabbed on the strike by 4,400 airline mechanics and cleaners who walked out last August after rejecting management demands for a 26 percent pay cut, the elimination of more than half of their jobs, higher payments for health insurance and cuts in sick pay.

Northwest was able to continue flying because the three other unions ordered their members to cross the picket lines of the striking workers, members of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA). While the company employed strikebreakers to smash the walkout and permanently replace the strikers, the IAM, which had been voted out by the mechanics six years earlier, negotiated with Northwest to take over the jobs of some of the striking workers.
Northwest, the fourth largest airline in the US, declared bankruptcy last September and has told the court it needs $1.4 billion in labor cost reductions from its 32,000 workers to compete in the industry. It was seeking $361 million in annual cuts from its pilots, after negotiating a $250 million takeaway deal in 2004 that included a 15 percent pay cut. Last November, pilots took a temporary 24 percent wage cut to postpone a court hearing to void their contract.

The company has insisted on its right to start a new subsidiary or hire an outside firm to fly planes that seat 70-100 passengers, a move that would destroy the jobs of hundreds of pilots. There are already 700 pilots on furlough at the airline. Pilots have sought job protection guarantees in case of a merger or buyout of the company.

Northwest, which under-funded its pension plan by $3.8 billion, replaced its defined-benefit plan with a 401 (K)-type plan, which is funded through deductions from pilots’ pay. The two sides were negotiating how much the airline would contribute to the plan and if the contribution would begin before or after the company emerged from bankruptcy.

The ALPA leadership was also pushing for pilots to be granted a greater share of the company’s stock, claiming that this would give workers greater control over corporate decisions. In 1994, ALPA gained positions on the board of directors of United Airlines after 83,000 employees gave up $4.8 billion in wage concessions. In the years that followed, “employee-owned” United declared bankruptcy, slashed tens of thousands of jobs and imposed further takeaways on its workers.
The leadership of the PFAA claimed the agreement gave flight attendants job security in the event of a merger and protection against the outsourcing of jobs. While not providing any details of the so-called job protection guarantees, union president Guy Meek admitted these were gained only by accepting massive sacrifices. “It’s not too easy to get to $195 million,” Meek said, referring to the target for fight attendant labor cost reductions Northwest was seeking. “So 2006 is going to be a real ugly year.”

The airline has been demanding the use of lower-wage flight attendants from other countries, including China and India, on its international flights, a move that could reduce the number of US-based flight attendants by half. In response, the PFAA launched a chauvinist campaign with the support of various Democratic and Republican politicians, denouncing Northwest for its use of “foreign nationals” against US citizens who, they said, played an essential role in the struggle against terrorism.
This foul campaign, which can only drive a wedge between US airline workers and their counterparts in Asia, Europe and elsewhere who are facing similar attacks, will, in the end, do nothing to defend the jobs of flight attendants in the US. The PFAA was reportedly seeking a deal that would give Northwest flight attendants with foreign language skills the right to be considered for higher-paying international assignments over attendants with more seniority, but no foreign language skills. At best, this might save several hundred of the more than 4,000 jobs the company is seeking to eliminate through outsourcing.
Before the agreement with the PFAA was reached, a flight attendant with 28 years seniority told the World Socialist Web Site, “We are upset that it has gotten this far. There is plenty of evidence that Northwest does not want to bargain in good faith. The union has offered lots of money in concessions and management still wants to take away the SCOPE clause that protects us against the outsourcing of our jobs. Under the clause if they were to sell off their Pacific division or some other division they would have to assure the jobs and conditions of our many of our flight attendants.

“In 1993 when we gave up so many concessions, including a 23 percent pay cut, we got the SCOPE clause in our contract. They promised to return the concessions we granted once the airline got back on its feet. They reneged on that and now they want to take away SCOPE too.

“This was the best job protection clause in the industry. Any type of flying had to be done with our flight attendants. Now they want to replace us with foreign nationals and pay them next to nothing and no benefits. The companies want to bring in flight attendants from China and use them as cheap labor.

“Flight attendants and all airline workers have taken a major cut in pay down through the years. Several people I know have been forced to file for bankruptcy to keep from losing their homes. That shouldn’t be happening when you work for a multi-billion dollar global company.

“The Bush administration is encouraging this outsourcing for cheaper labor. It’s all about corporate greed and CEOs who don’t care about taking down 20 or 30,000 workers as long as they get their golden parachutes. They’re getting millions while the ones who built this company are being tossed on the unemployment lines.”

 

[700UW]

And the dues will stop flowing, as the language was changed in 2005 by Glass

Each employee of the Company covered by this Agreement who fails
9 to acquire and maintain membership in the International Association of
10 Machinists and Aerospace Workers (“IAM&rdquo shall be required, as a
11 condition of continued employment, to pay to the IAM a monthly service
12 charge as a contribution toward the IAM’s costs in the administration of this
13 Agreement and representation of the employee. The obligation to acquire
14 and maintain membership in the IAM, or pay a service charge in lieu
15 thereof, shall commence sixty (60) days after the effective date of this
16 Agreement, or sixty (60) days after the beginning of the employee’s
17 employment under this Agreement, whichever is later; provided; however,
18 that membership in or financial support of the IAM shall not be required of
19 any employee until he has performed forty-two (42) days (336 hours) of
20 compensated service under this Agreement within a period of twelve (12)
21 consecutive calendar months.

3. This Article shall be in effect only as long as the IAM is the collective
41 bargaining representative of the employees covered by this Agreement.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The pfaa case is an exception, however, even that case supports that you are lying. Nw had a literal interpretation of pfaa contract, so literal that it insisted the ibt even keep its board seat.
If parker takes the same approach then nothing will change other than the mx will not have to pay dues anymore.
At any rate, the iampf isnt the iam. They are two separate entities. I get the fact that the iam is trying to intimidate its members.
I listened to the twon hall and heard buffy say "think about your pension".
The letter from steve was well written but not specific to the usairways contract. He simply states a conditional statement "if a company is no longer obligated".
His reference is to going non union.
Specifically, if there is a decert and no longer a cba then, as steve says, a company is no longer obligated to uphold a cba.

Read the letter 700. Its talking about going non union but its meant to apply as myth to the mx as if the mx are confused.

Btw u were one of the generals telling everyone that the mx were confused back in your coffee making days. Tell the truth and stop lying to your own blood.

 

[700UW]

Tim are you that dense?

The language was changed in the IAM CBA by Gerry Glass, the same man who wrote the language in the former IBT CBA at NW for the FAs.

Your lying, its been taken to court and NW won.

The language was never in the M&R CBA until the 2005 bankruptcy CBA.

Your not a lawyer nor a judge, but Glass is a lawyer and the Judge all ready ruled on the same case at NW.

Tim you are a pathological liar and a megalomaniac, you can never admit when you are wrong and the board sees you for what you are, a bitter US/IAM employee and member who can get elected to dog catcher.

You bribed people to sign A-Card with Gift Cards.

You left during the last week of the UA/CO campaign and went on a cruise and the IAM only won by seven votes.

You demanded AGC pay and Delaney promptly fired you.

Must suck to be so bitter.

Your own fellow member who use to support you:

Grad,

He (Nelson) feels threatened because he expects entire legions of workers to blindly follow his ideology. He is very good at convincing folks that he’s on to the “real’ truth, which is actually only “his” truth! His perception of his reality… not mine, not yours, and certainly not the workgroup’s!

If we just accept what he says as the gospel without fact checking and dissection, we will be duped into making poor choices. Poor choices that will result in detriment! Thank you for taking the time to fact check his posts. Most F/S workers either don’t take the time, or don’t have the wherewithal to do what you did.

Again thanks!!

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

World Socialist Web Site
wsws.org


Unions for flight attendants, pilots agree to huge concessions at Northwest Airlines

By Jerry Isaacs
4 March 2006

Earlier in the week, negotiators for the Professional Flight Attendants Association (PFAA), which represents 8,500 workers, reached a tentative agreement with the airline.

The agreements, which will allow the airline to slash jobs and sharply reduce labor costs, were reached by union officials as the anger of rank-and-file workers was rising, along with support for a strike against the concessions demands. Pilots voted by a 92 percent margin for a walkout, while flight attendants were still being polled when the PFAA reached the agreement.
US Bankruptcy Judge Allan Gropper twice extended the deadline on nullifying the labor agreements in order to give the union bureaucracy time to accept the airline’s demands.

.”
Union officials have refused to release details about the number of jobs that will be cut and what pay and benefit reductions pilots and flight attendants will be forced to accept. The tentative agreements will be brought before the workers for a vote.
The enormous setback for pilots and flight attendants is the outcome of the treachery of the ALPA, PFAA and International Association of Machinists (IAM), all of which scabbed on the strike by 4,400 airline mechanics and cleaners who walked out last August after rejecting management demands for a 26 percent pay cut, the elimination of more than half of their jobs, higher payments for health insurance and cuts in sick pay.

The leadership of the PFAA claimed the agreement gave flight attendants job security in the event of a merger and protection against the outsourcing of jobs. While not providing any details of the so-called job protection guarantees, union president Guy Meek admitted these were gained only by accepting massive sacrifices. “It’s not too easy to get to $195 million,” Meek said, referring to the target for fight attendant labor cost reductions Northwest was seeking. “So 2006 is going to be a real ugly year.”

The airline has been demanding the use of lower-wage flight attendants from other countries, including China and India, on its international flights, a move that could reduce the number of US-based flight attendants by half. In response, the PFAA launched a chauvinist campaign with the support of various Democratic and Republican politicians, denouncing Northwest for its use of “foreign nationals” against US citizens who, they said, played an essential role in the struggle against terrorism.
This foul campaign, which can only drive a wedge between US airline workers and their counterparts in Asia, Europe and elsewhere who are facing similar attacks, will, in the end, do nothing to defend the jobs of flight attendants in the US. The PFAA was reportedly seeking a deal that would give Northwest flight attendants with foreign language skills the right to be considered for higher-paying international assignments over attendants with more seniority, but no foreign language skills. At best, this might save several hundred of the more than 4,000 jobs the company is seeking to eliminate through outsourcing.
Before the agreement with the PFAA was reached, a flight attendant with 28 years seniority told the World Socialist Web Site, “We are upset that it has gotten this far. There is plenty of evidence that Northwest does not want to bargain in good faith. The union has offered lots of money in concessions and management still wants to take away the SCOPE clause that protects us against the outsourcing of our jobs. Under the clause if they were to sell off their Pacific division or some other division they would have to assure the jobs and conditions of our many of our flight attendants.

“In 1993 when we gave up so many concessions, including a 23 percent pay cut, we got the SCOPE clause in our contract. They promised to return the concessions we granted once the airline got back on its feet. They reneged on that and now they want to take away SCOPE too.

“This was the best job protection clause in the industry. Any type of flying had to be done with our flight attendants. Now they want to replace us with foreign nationals and pay them next to nothing and no benefits. The companies want to bring in flight attendants from China and use them as cheap labor.

“Flight attendants and all airline workers have taken a major cut in pay down through the years. Several people I know have been forced to file for bankruptcy to keep from losing their homes. That shouldn’t be happening when you work for a multi-billion dollar global company.

“The Bush administration is encouraging this outsourcing for cheaper labor. It’s all about corporate greed and CEOs who don’t care about taking down 20 or 30,000 workers as long as they get their golden parachutes. They’re getting millions while the ones who built this company are being tossed on the unemployment lines.”

That was written March 2006 and it says a tentative. Guess you don't know the difference between tentative and ratified or choose to ignore it.

EAGAN, Minn., June 6 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Northwest Airlines said today that it was disappointed that its flight attendants, represented by the Professional Flight Attendants Association (PFAA), failed to ratify a tentative contract agreement reached in early March between the company and the union.
http://pbdj.sys-con.com/node/232188

How soon you forget what CHAOS was all about.

"When the PFAA leadership brought a tentative agreement back to the membership in June, it was solidly voted down"
http://www.solidarit...g/site/node/180

Was there a TA for dues check-off.. yes http://nwa-ta3.wikis...ta3- Section 24 .it was voted down.

The Dues check-off was implemented in August 2005

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim are you that dense?

The language was changed in the IAM CBA by Gerry Glass, the same man who wrote the language in the former IBT CBA at NW for the FAs.

Your lying, its been taken to court and NW won.

The language was never in the M&R CBA until the 2005 bankruptcy CBA.

Your not a lawyer nor a judge, but Glass is a lawyer and the Judge all ready ruled on the same case at NW.

Tim you are a pathological liar and a megalomaniac, you can never admit when you are wrong and the board sees you for what you are, a bitter US/IAM employee and member who can get elected to dog catcher.

You bribed people to sign A-Card with Gift Cards.

You left during the last week of the UA/CO campaign and went on a cruise and the IAM only won by seven votes.

You demanded AGC pay and Delaney promptly fired you.

Must suck to be so bitter.

Your own fellow member who use to support you:

700,
what amazes me is that now you are desperate, and the IAM also it seems. The whole organizing drive isn't based on anything they did for the members but "You better vote for us or we will ax your pension." LMAO.

All I can say is that the mx still aren't 'confused' and that they may be just a bit more smarter than Buffy thinks. Nobody is decerting the IAM to go non union as Mr Steve suggest.

-1 for steve and 700

regards,

 

[700UW]

Learn to read and comprehend.

If you are not an IAM represented member or in a coordinated bargaining unit, you cannot be in the IAMNPF.

I hope the ibt doesnt win, but if they do, and then the plan shuts them off, I will be right and you will be wrong as usual.

You bribed people to sign A-Card with Gift Cards.

You left during the last week of the UA/CO campaign and went on a cruise and the IAM only won by seven votes.

You demanded AGC pay and Delaney promptly fired you.

Must suck to be so bitter.

 

[1AA]

So I see there is so much uncertainty on this pension issue. Will that be enough to NOT vote for the Teamsters? You guys need to get this cleared up before you get the ballots.
Once you vote that is it. You will live or die by your decision. Make it the right one.