Better Watch The Afa

[Light Years]

The above post applies nearly exactly to the F/As as well. The Eagle contract was to be used for "MAA" as agreed to by the mainline F/As during concessions (the active ones, not the furloughed F/As that would actually work under the contracts). They worked from the Eagle contract (which had already been updated and improved, but MAA inexplicably got the old version). There was never any side letters of agreements or a hard copy of it. The language is very AA/AEagle specific.

Many of the stuff in the "contract" is not from AE at all, but from the Airways one, at the company's discretion. For example, uniforms are done by the US contract because they realized there was really no reason to launch the American Airlines system for the one small division. One silly thing- they did give recalled F/As earplugs because it was in the American Eagle contract (who operates turboprops, not narrowbody jets). How much do uneccssary earplugs cost?

They did change thier minds about health insurance. At first they wanted to bring these employees back and wait six months for coverage. Five year employees, coming back to a six month wait for coverage, while Express new hires got it off the bat. Thankfully they did back down on some of the items like that that were just downright mean.

They basically use what is best for the company from both the US Airways and American Eagle contracts. None of the changes were voted on, and there is still no contract to look at, only the old Eagle one which only a few sections actually apply (mostly the one's that are worst for the F/As).

 

[mdarules]

Truly, everything that is happening is a crime - I know in the end it will all pan out b/c facts are facts and sometimes people don't release the hard core facts until they are pressed or challenged. AFA had an obligation to protect the best interest of the flight attendants and we all know "the ones that met" with the AFA that they have absolutely 0 intetions of doing ANYTHING in our best interest, they are all in bed with the company, and now they have a plethera of STD's !! They do make a cream and antibiotics for many of these STD's however this cure all cream will be - back pay, longevity, active in the merger, and a fabulous kick to the curb for all that did injustices in the AFA and the company... There are too many facts for the company and the unions to walk away from and this time they will pay, as they should!! I hope you all understand that we are very proud to STAND TOGETHER, as for everyone else - they can ROT alone!!!

 

[mdarules]

They basically use what is best for the company from both the US Airways and American Eagle contracts. None of the changes were voted on, and there is still no contract to look at, only the old Eagle one which only a few sections actually apply (mostly the one's that are worst for the F/As).

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This is true - it is very clear as well that our reps have done 0 to get it changed - or negotiate on our behalf, TX place BR in that position to play her like a puppet to cover her own A++ we all know that - It is interesting now that the union is denying to talk to dues paying members however higher ups are putting across phone calls to distinguish theirselves as "having nothing to do with this matter" and they don't want to be involved but now it is too late, I hope that the BOSS realizes who the boss is now - I can't wait to glance across that court room and see the sweat dripping down their faces....

 

[PITbull]

LY,

Your chronological recap of MAA is the closest I've seen to the real history from anyone.

From the inception of this concept of a LCC within a carrier (concession #1), MAA was the Company's attempt to create a LCC within a carrier, whether it be a wholly owned or Division, Siegel wanted a B scale of employees. When Concession #1 was being negotiated, the Company negotiators lied to AFA and said that the long standing "no- furlough" language needed to be removed from the AFA 2000 CBA because if the Company is forced into BK because of AFA's resistance in NOT removing this langauge, the co. woud motion for a judge to abrogate the contracts. The idea of furloughs was not discussed because if you look at all the proposals fom the end of May 2002 through the last week in June, 2002, there was NO line item from the co. asking for the "furlough "lanaguge. Not until the very end of negotiations. All through out negotiations, the company insisted on cncessions in medical/dental PPO system wide, mega puchases of E-170 Rjs which needed ATSB backed loans to purchase, and pension relief. The concessions from all of labor was to qualify for an ATSB loan under the deadline of June 28, 2002 for all airlines applying for this type of "bail out" loan. The Company had told all the labor groups that they would do everything in their power to stay out of bk, but needed all of labor on board to approve of the concessions needed to qualify for the ATSB loan.

This was lie #1 from the company and how they enticed labor for concessions. Bk came AFTER ratification of ALPA and AFA, and the ATSB approval came after all of labor ratified concessions.

Within two months of BK...Siegel was at it again with more concessions from Labor, hence December's negotiations with labor for another $400 million. The company became more intense with these concessions specifically AFTER United went into Bk on Dec. 9, 2002.

If you pull the local e-lines of PHL and PIT, you will see TWO DESCENDING votes AGAINST concession #1 BECAUSE THE FURLOUGH LANGUAGE WAS REMOVED. One of the major sticklers with these two presidents. No matter how many e-lines PIT and PHL sent out AGAINST ratification, membership voted Concession #1 by majority, including PIT. If you pull past E-line from PIT "Know Before You Vote", you will see the "no-furlough" language as 1 of the 11 reasons why the Local PIT President was AGAINST concession #1.

The Company had convinced some members of the MEC that the language had to go, and by majority, the MEC voted to take the contract out to the members rather than risk an abrogation in BK of the entire agreement as threatened by "yours truly" in Labor Relations.

AFA did not have "Jets for Jobs", as AFA negotiating committee was told and convinced that furloughs would NOT occur. Keep in mind that BK #1 happened on Aug. 11, 2002, AFTER ALPA and AFA ratification.

HENCE THE BIRTH OF MAA.

MEC/LEC Presidents Council 40 and 70 (PIT and PHL) went balistic, and went to war with managment! Two LEC Presidents out of 6 voting members, at war with the company and with the members of the MEC.


And those two LEC presidents were at war with the company in every concession and fought the battles with all their might. Only PIT members voted the next 2 concessions down by majority.

Lessons learned.

Not to keep recapping events, but out of 1,700 Involuntary furloughees, 270 took the MAA job. And the Co. had to go through the entire list to get those 270.

During concession #2 the company changed the MAA "wholly owned" to "Division" to fly MAA under US Airways cirtificate. AFA negotiations were 5 days for concession #2 under threat of liquidation by Bronner that would occur on Dec. 20, 2002 if the MEC didn't bring out the contract for a vote.

More threats.

This one piece of language given from ALPA and AFA, IMO, gave birth to MAA, and the over 1800 pilots job lost along with 6,500 f/as out of our ranks.

 

[mdarules]

During concession #2 the company changed the MAA "wholly owned" to "Division" to fly MAA under US Airways cirtificate. AFA negotiations were 5 days for concession #2 under threat of liquidation by Bronner that would occur on Dec. 20, 2002 if the MEC didn't bring out the contract for a vote.

More threats.

This one piece of language given from ALPA and AFA, IMO, gave birth to MAA.

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T.X. there is no such thank as MidAtlantic - they gave birth to what is supposed to be played out as MidAtlantic. Now the AFA and the company and ALPA are caught in the midst of all of their lies and deceit - time will prevail and so will the employees at MDA!!!! Just you wait!!!

 

[Light Years]

This one piece of language given from ALPA and AFA, IMO, gave birth to MAA, and  the  over 1800 pilots job lost along with 6,500 f/as out of our ranks.

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Absolutley. I hope other airlines unions pay attention to how this has all gone down, particularly Northwest, who wants to park thier DC9s, furlough 50% of the F/As and instead start an E-Jet airline using replacement crews that have already been hired. Similar to MAA but without the mainline employees.

Thanks for the additional history, PB.

 

[PITbull]

LY,

NW and Delta will use the US Airways BK model. As Parker had told AFA members recently (from what i've been told) , the US Airways contract is the leading industry contract and will be the guage for all other airlines.

The Legacies are about 2 years behind US Airways. Industry in flux, and consolidation is just the beginning.

The new U is just ahead of the curve on the downward spiral in this race to the bottom.