Atlanta-LaGuardia Resuming in January

[LD3]

Love this thread.  Keep ignoring one of the twins for his last 7 postings.  Keep up the good job folks...

It's annoying the hell out of him....

 

[silverbird007]

Next I think AA should start LHR-ATL on the new 777-300, see how fast DL pulls out of AAs markets!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Love this thread.  Keep ignoring one of the twins for his last 7 postings.  Keep up the good job folks...

except that the thread is still active, you really can't ignore anything, and DL still has average fare parity with AA on the routes the two serve but the opposite is not true.

Those are the facts and it annoys you and a whole lot of other people that DL based on history and industry data has a far better chance of being successful with further DFW flights than AA does out of DL hubs.


 

Next I think AA should start LHR-ATL on the new 777-300, see how fast DL pulls out of AAs markets!

It is far more likely that DL will start DFW-LHR either on DL or VS aircraft, esp. since DL has operated its own aircraft on longhaul TATL routes from AA hubs but AA has not done the same from DL hubs other than JFK which the two share - or sort of - DL's operation is far larger, you do realize?

 

[Kev3188]

 

Love this thread.

I love it too.

For absolutely no real reason, I've always found a given airline's operations in another one's hub interesting...

 

[WorldTraveler]

it's competition and it should be interesting. there is nothing exciting about seeing an airline dominate a market leaving customers with no choice.

but competition has to be able to rise to the challenge when they take on a carrier in a market in which they are stronger.

for whatever reason, DL has been more successful in growing its presence in AA markets than the other way around.

a tiny little route which no one seems to have harped on is how DL managed to add RDU-PHL - a core US market - but DL operates it right into a US hub - and AA/US has nothing comparable.


and no one has yet to answer the question as to what AA is going to do this time around that will bring their average fares up by 1/3 to levels comparable to what DL gets in the ATL-LGA market; in contrast, there isn't a single market that DL serves to/from an AA or US hub where DL sustains that kind of average fare deficit.

as much as some people don't want to hear it, DL is adding DFW-LAX because they can make money doing so but AA's restarting ATL-LGA does not appear to be driven by anything other than an attempt to keep from appearing that they just rolled over when DL decided to start another key route into an AA/US hub.

 

[AANOTOK]

for whatever reason, DL has been more successful in growing its presence in AA markets than the other way around.




 

Because Delta is the "Greatest of all time" and if it hadn't already been marketed, I'm sure you would see them say they "fly like a butterfly sting like a bee" but, since it's been used, WT is left with promoting how Delta is second to none and never will be. They are perfect.

 

[silverbird007]

I think Parker may have something up his sleeve for Deltaflot, AA is barely out of bankruptcy and just getting started with the merger. It will be interesting what he will do with all the A-330s which I read are flying very light loads to Europe. (I think Delta should be very worried)

 

[Freighterguynow]

The loads are light here and there mostly due to the Alliance switch over resulting in a 6 month gap selling tickets over the new network.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I think Parker may have something up his sleeve for Deltaflot, AA is barely out of bankruptcy and just getting started with the merger. It will be interesting what he will do with all the A-330s which I read are flying very light loads to Europe. (I think Delta should be very worried)

if Parker's flights to Europe don't have many people on them right now, then they clearly aren't benefitting from the AF strike.

DL and KL flights across the Atlantic are packed.

as for DL being the greatest, it might be good to remember that DL closed its DFW hub in part because it had a very low percentage of the local market compared to the size of the hub.

DL's ability to compete as aggressively as it is now is undoubtedly related to what it did during BK to get its cost down and the level of its product up and to get a headstart on AA>

Now that AA has merged and is out of BK, they may well be capable of pulling off a whole lot of progress. Who knows what UA's winter cuts will do for AA but remember also that the Wright Amendment restrictions end in a month (less, actually) and Latin America's largest economies are slowing down just as new competition comes into the market.

AA might well do fine but they continue to face many challenges in putting together a network that is capable of competing with DL and UA on a global scale, including regaining territory that AA lost in BK such as NYC.

 

[silverbird007]

The loads are light here and there mostly due to the Alliance switch over resulting in a 6 month gap selling tickets over the new network.

Yea that makes sense, I hadn't thought about that. I have always heard that US flights were pretty full. As the merger progresses Im sure were going to see AA bringing back even more flights that have been abandoned. When Arpey was in charge all he did was park planes, cut routes and handed other airlines like jetblue and delta, planes and routes, (when he wasn't lining his pockets) Now that Arpey and Horton are gone maybe we will bring back some of the routes we lost. If we just get all the eagle flights back, that would be awesome!

 

[WorldTraveler]

except that is NOT what happened.

AA retained and added capacity in BK above and beyond what other carriers did.

Other than 9/11 and the after effects of it, AA has reduced its int'l capacity far less than what other carriers have done.

Since you are talking about Eagle, you are clearly talking about more than int'l so I'm not sure what flights you think Eagle has cut at AA's behest that you think they should restore.

Given that AA's RASM has underperformed its network peers even while AA's costs are growing, adding a bunch of capacity to the network is not what AA needs to do if the goal is to provide the industry's best financial results.

 

[eolesen]

Now that Arpey and Horton are gone maybe we will bring back some of the routes we lost.

Point of order... Arpey isn't the one who cut destinations, declared bankruptcy, and asked the employees to pay for the situation AA was in. Blame him for the executive comp issues from 2006, but I think he did a much better job leading AA thru the desert than most of you give him credit for.

 

[topDawg]

Point of order... Arpey isn't the one who cut destinations, declared bankruptcy, and asked the employees to pay for the situation AA was in. Blame him for the executive comp issues from 2006, but I think he did a much better job leading AA thru the desert than most of you give him credit for.

From the outside looking in I agree. 
 
 
but when you ask for someone else.....don't be to upset with what you get. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

E's not upset because he, like I, recognized that an AA standalone reorg would have been best for AA.

But labor at both AA and US wanted to pocket riches - as did Parker himself - and so now Parker is trying to live up to all of the promises he has made while trying to appear strong whether they make money or not, which is exactly what is happening with ATL-LGA.

there is a reason they stopped flying the route less than a year ago.

to think that anything has materially changed is fanciful at best.

 

[topDawg]

E's not upset because he, like I, recognized that an AA standalone reorg would have been best for AA.

But labor at both AA and US wanted to pocket riches - as did Parker himself - and so now Parker is trying to live up to all of the promises he has made while trying to appear strong whether they make money or not, which is exactly what is happening with ATL-LGA.

there is a reason they stopped flying the route less than a year ago.

to think that anything has materially changed is fanciful at best.

I didn't say E was upset did I?