Are We Next?

[Fly]

What makes you think I work because I need the $? You know what they say about the word ASSUME I, luckily, work one trip a week, 2 legs total. So it's not hard for me. I work because it's a blast! (ps - I'll never be here at 70 and more than likely, my boobs will fall off from running all the time! )

The point is, although our management has targets planted on us, we really are NOT bitter as a whole. What we lose in our paychecks, we make up for by laughing non stop about what we did on our layover!!!

 

[Hopeful]

What makes you think I work because I need the $?  You know what they say about the word ASSUME    I, luckily, work one trip a week, 2 legs total.  So it's not hard for me.  I work because it's a blast!  (ps - I'll never be here at 70 and more than likely, my boobs will fall off from running all the time!    )

The point is, although our management has targets planted on us, we really are NOT bitter as a whole.  What we lose in our paychecks, we make up for by laughing non stop about what we did on our layover!!! 

[post="262059"][/post]​

Fly, the point I am trying to make is that although it is admirable to give the customer 100% even in these worst of times for airline employees, the companies we work for are pushing all of us to our limits while they take more and more from us so they can "compete."

It doesn't matter whether or not you need the $$$$.

But airline execs keep reminding us the passenger this, and the passenger that. We need to take care of the passengers so they return. But that mantra can only go so far when you abuse your employees in regards to paycuts, pensions, healthcare, sick time, etc.

So while an airline CEO agrees to a 10% paycut on his/her $500,000.00/yr, the pain and suffering is quite lopsided when compared to an employee who took 17% cut in salary alone.

Keep in mind, that these same passengers you treat with incredible customer service are the same ones that would ride a camel's humps for $5 less and give a rat's ass about how "incredible" FLY's customer service was.

 

[Fly]

But they DO care....they just won't PAY for it!

 

[Hopeful]

Agreed!

Now, about that avatar................................................................
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[FWAAA]

Thats right, they drained it dry all in one shot. They took more than they needed just because they could.

The fact is that USAIR and UAL still have not caught up in concesions to what AA got.

[post="262032"][/post]​

I hesitate to reply, because your childish posts are "factual" (according to you) while my factual posts are deemed "childish" by you.

"More than they needed"?? By what measure? According to whom??

Last time I looked, AA was still losing money. Looks to me like AA should have asked for even more, since there's rumors of more concessions at AA just around the corner.

Of course, perhaps people wouldn't be forecasting the liquidation of UAL and USAir if they had taken AA's more severe path to recovery.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

The question is, "Are We Next?"

Of course.

The real question is, "When, and how bad will it be?"

 

[Wretched Wrench]

What makes you think I work because I need the $? You know what they say about the word ASSUME I, luckily, work one trip a week, 2 legs total. So it's not hard for me. I work because it's a blast!

[post="262059"][/post]​

It would seem that not only has Nature smiled on you (if your avatar is any indication), but the gods of economic fortune have similarly blessed you.

I am glad for you that you can stay light-hearted in this doom and gloom environment.

 

[Oneflyer]

But airline execs keep reminding us the passenger this, and the passenger that. We need to take care of the passengers so they return. But that mantra can only go so far when you abuse your employees in regards to paycuts, pensions, healthcare, sick time, etc.

So while an airline CEO agrees to a 10% paycut on his/her $500,000.00/yr, the pain and suffering is quite lopsided when compared to an employee who took 17% cut in salary alone.

Give me a break, that same CEO could go make 4 time his 500k salary.

The sick time and healthcare rules had been abused for years at AA, I've seen the numbers. It makes me sick union and management alike, everyone looks to the company for a handout, its ok to cheat the company, to call in sick when you're not, but damn AA if they need to take you from 5 weeks of vacation to 4.

 

[goingboeing]

Give me a break, that same CEO could go make 4 time his 500k salary.

The sick time and healthcare rules had been abused for years at AA, I've seen the numbers. It makes me sick union and management alike, everyone looks to the company for a handout, its ok to cheat the company, to call in sick when you're not, but damn AA if they need to take you from 5 weeks of vacation to 4.

[post="262182"][/post]​

Well,I'll hold open the door for the same CEO to go and make 4 times as much as his 500K salary!
If they could go make 4 times as much and are not doing it then they have poor judgement and this explains why the airlines are in trouble!

If the company does not want an employee to use sick time then they should not provide it as a benefit.

Maybe AA should make all vacation flex and require the employees to purchase all their vacation.If you are for giving 1 week back why not give it all back?Where does it stop?

Why don't you work for free so AA can make a profit?

 

[mjk]

Well,I'll hold open the door for the same CEO to go and make 4 times as much as his 500K salary!
If they could go make 4 times as much and are not doing it then they have poor judgement and this explains why the airlines are in trouble!

[post="262188"][/post]​

If he makes 500k and turns down raises offered to him by the Board of Directors and much better offers from other corporations, you'd call him stupid.

If he was making 2 mil as the CEO of AMR, you'd call him a crook, not willing to "share the sacrifice".

Sounds like the man can't win in your eyes.

 

[goingboeing]

If he makes 500k and turns down raises offered to him by the Board of Directors and much better offers from other corporations, you'd call him stupid.

If he was making 2 mil as the CEO of AMR, you'd call him a crook, not willing to "share the sacrifice".

Sounds like the man can't win in your eyes.

[post="262215"][/post]​

Why in the hell should CEO's be rewarded for driving companies into chapter 11 and keeping them in chapter 11?
Glenn Tilton[ UAL] just took a $332,000 bonus at the same time is is demanding more concessions from the employees and the elimination of their retirement.
You sound like this is acceptable and the CEO's cannot do any wrong.
Do you think that Tilton is doing the right thing for his company and for his employees?

I wonder if he is the brother of Robert Tilton, television preacher money grabber?

 

[fix_airplanes]

To FLY;

You are obviously a person of good humor! Especially evident with your animated logo.

The industry doe's need "spirited" folks. Very good.

 

[goingboeing]

If he makes 500k and turns down raises offered to him by the Board of Directors and much better offers from other corporations, you'd call him stupid.

If he was making 2 mil as the CEO of AMR, you'd call him a crook, not willing to "share the sacrifice".

Sounds like the man can't win in your eyes.

[post="262215"][/post]​

You make my very point. Arpey should not be making 2 million dollars a year at AMR because AA is losing money and he has taken concessions from the employees of AA. I don't care if he leaves for Coca-Cola and makes 10 million dollars a year,but inside the airline business his $500K per year salary is a good one.If he wants more he should go to another industry that earns profits.[Maybe Exxon Mobil]

 

[Oneflyer]

You make my very point. Arpey should not be making 2 million dollars a year at AMR because AA is losing money and he has taken concessions from the employees of AA. I don't care if he leaves for Coca-Cola and makes 10 million dollars a year,but inside the airline business his $500K per year salary is a good one.If he wants more he should go to another industry that earns profits.[

Your logic is wrong here. I could run Coca-Cola and it would make billions, does that mean I deserve that salary? No, anyone could do it. Your salary is based on how much value you add to the company with respect to what someone else could do in the same position.

 

[Hackman]

I hesitate to reply, because your childish posts are "factual" (according to you) while my factual posts are deemed "childish" by you.

"More than they needed"?? By what measure? According to whom??

Last time I looked, AA was still losing money. Looks to me like AA should have asked for even more, since there's rumors of more concessions at AA just around the corner.

Of course, perhaps people wouldn't be forecasting the liquidation of UAL and USAir if they had taken AA's more severe path to recovery.

[post="262130"][/post]​

Employees could work for free at UAL, NWA, US Air (I think they already asked), and yes AA, these airlines would still lose money.

Moronic business ventures such as UAL's "Avolar" are the mostly the reason. Yes, fuel is at a all time high, but they were losing billions before the oil companies decided to rape and pillage.

The employees at US Air and UAL, I'm sorry to say, need to walk and let 'em weld the doors shut. Its over. Then the upper management can deploy the golden parachutes and move on to destroy another company.

AA is not too far behind, and another round of concessions is not going to help us.