- Banned
- #46
How do you think they want the vote to go?
APFA to send AA's last best offer to members for a vote
- Thread starter FWAAA
- Start date
Do you understand that there are f/as being charged full dues that have never been trained on AA metal? No access to meetings, no access to the web site, obviously no vote, no holding office but full dues for what? This was done solely because we dared to challenge the status quo. How dare we actually vote, shame, shame, shame. Not to worry, I was always dues current.
I think the vote will be NO but the APFA will extend the vote or manipulate the vote to a YES.
I think the vote will be NO but the APFA will extend the vote or manipulate the vote to a YES.
Be Careful What You Wish For.
Veteran
- Dec 23, 2006
- 2,269
- 571
1995 pay outs?
17 years ago. Really?
17 years ago. Really?
- Banned
- #51
The union cares about: wage increases, contribution plan and profit sharing. The early out
(
They would like us to approve the LBO which helps AA present their standalone plan which in turn enables US Airways to present their merger plan which they hope will be approved.
care2purchasefood?
Member
- Jun 5, 2011
- 46
- 5
I VOTED NO!!!!!!! THE AAPFA IS A SELL-OUT UNION AND LG IS A FRAUD!
- Banned
- #53
It would seem reasonable to maintain our flexible work rules. FAs like a flexible work schedule because there are times in life when one must be home more (raising small children, caring for a sick family member, etc.). Until now, it has been the greatest asset of our job when compared to other airlines.
The union fights for the hedonists but not the family type FAs?
I understand just fine. They also might soon be eligible for $40k in a very short time while also never being trained on AA equipment. Sounds good to me. Take a little of that money, pay your dues and vote yes if you want. .
What early out are you looking at that has no passes? The one I see has passes for all. Some just not forever. EVERYONE gets 18/24 months. If you are at least 50, you get 18/24 months of passes and when you turn 55 and can start collecting a check, you also get unlimited retiree passes. Doesn't sound like no passes to me. Those under 50 don't get retiree passes, never have. Just a retirement check if you are vested, like always.
While AA cannot take away earned defined benefit payouts, there will be no unlimited passes at 55. (if you're under retirement age and take the $40,000)
That exchange with Bluebird was simply bizarre.People taking the f/a job for immoral reasons? Seriously? I (for one) went to work for Pan Am because I actually believed that f/as were the first ambassadors for the US vs the Ugly American...(lol) Naive but sincere. I was able to raise my birth children and my acquired children (foster) due to the flexibility negotiated over decades before me. I fought for the retention of those sacrifices and improvements when Carl Ichan made such statements as "You are second incomes" "You are not breadwinners". I was in the first class at TWA where you could be married. I celebrated the end of discrimination based on age, gender, marital status, weight and when I joined AA I celebrated the acknowledgement of domestic partners (which we did not have at TWA)
You all seem so willing to relinquishment all that was negotiated before you. How much flexibility will you have being forced to fly 100 hours? That is not 100 hours on the property. Flying has never lent itself to a 9-5, five day a week profession. There is no language. Union negotiating 101 is NEVER sign off on ANYTHING until the language is in place. 6 years.... No furlough protections at all. There isn't a lot of "cushion" left before it starts hitting your fan. This isn't a contract of need...this is a "gotcha". (something as simple as restricted PVDs is an example)
How does Horton's announcement that HE approached Parker affect your thoughts on this "game" being played with your lives? I have said all along that the bk, duel contract offers (AA and USAIR), threats of abrogation were all orchestrated prior to the filing. Deja vu... It is not unlike what happened with the AA-TWA acquisition. Horton sounded like a child...."I did it first...it was me, me, me. I'll be the one to decide the future, not my friend Dougie" Seriously, this sounds like a 6 year old.
Again, so sorry for all of you.
That exchange with Bluebird was simply bizarre.People taking the f/a job for immoral reasons? Seriously? I (for one) went to work for Pan Am because I actually believed that f/as were the first ambassadors for the US vs the Ugly American...(lol) Naive but sincere. I was able to raise my birth children and my acquired children (foster) due to the flexibility negotiated over decades before me. I fought for the retention of those sacrifices and improvements when Carl Ichan made such statements as "You are second incomes" "You are not breadwinners". I was in the first class at TWA where you could be married. I celebrated the end of discrimination based on age, gender, marital status, weight and when I joined AA I celebrated the acknowledgement of domestic partners (which we did not have at TWA)
You all seem so willing to relinquishment all that was negotiated before you. How much flexibility will you have being forced to fly 100 hours? That is not 100 hours on the property. Flying has never lent itself to a 9-5, five day a week profession. There is no language. Union negotiating 101 is NEVER sign off on ANYTHING until the language is in place. 6 years.... No furlough protections at all. There isn't a lot of "cushion" left before it starts hitting your fan. This isn't a contract of need...this is a "gotcha". (something as simple as restricted PVDs is an example)
How does Horton's announcement that HE approached Parker affect your thoughts on this "game" being played with your lives? I have said all along that the bk, duel contract offers (AA and USAIR), threats of abrogation were all orchestrated prior to the filing. Deja vu... It is not unlike what happened with the AA-TWA acquisition. Horton sounded like a child...."I did it first...it was me, me, me. I'll be the one to decide the future, not my friend Dougie" Seriously, this sounds like a 6 year old.
Again, so sorry for all of you.
jersey777
Veteran
- May 24, 2006
- 627
- 73
Once again Nancy, you make it seem as though we have any control over this process. I mean look at the early out. For 4 years the APFA has been making the case with the company for an early out. Even in bankruptcy when they are proposing to furlough 2300 on the term sheet they refused to consider an early out. It wasn't until 7 months into bankruptcy that they finally hashed out a plan. Is it perfect...no? But it is more then has ever been offered before. The last one...maybe late 90's?..offered only $15,000. There are tons of things in this LBFO that really stink. It is a career changing situation. Look at transcons. AA was the first to fly jets coast to coast starting in 1959. For 43 years the trips were built as a 2 day. Now you have JETBLUE flying transcon turns and the game has changed. I would never fly them but if they build transcon turns they will go very senior! I just wish that I was closer to retirement age and I could look back and say that I was here during the heyday. I did get to enjoy it for 21 yerars but the career is turning back into a job. It is a force that is happening in so many spectrums in our economy. I don't like it at all but we will manage and I look forward to turning 60 and telling the new hires about the good old days.
Our transcon turns were the most senior trips of any base. BUT, the protective language was in place. LANGUAGE! Shoot, I'd fly 10 transcon turns a month rather than 3 on 1 off or 20+ days. I like good utilization, not this "stuff" of fly a leg, sit 3 hours or 5 legs a day. Do you honestly think AA is going to furlough 2300. They can't staff the operation now and just called back all leaves and are getting ready to train medical returns. I think the deal was cut, and once again, regardless of the vote, the 6 year agreement will be implemented. Horton and Parker are laughing all the way to the bank. Sorry, seen this scenario before..... ps..I would rather take my chances with a 2 year "deal" imposed by the Judge (which could be appealed) Either way you all are screwed.
jersey777
Veteran
- May 24, 2006
- 627
- 73
- Banned
- #60
I agree. I trust the judge more than APFA at this point. We have certain reasonable work rules that APFA seems to be willing to ruin. This job is going to be terrible in the future. I would not recommend any young person apply to AA if the new work rules go through . Jn 10:10
