APFA is giving PFAA (NWA FA Union) a presention on what merging with APFA would do for almost bankrupt PFAA. How do the AA FA feel about that? PFAA is running around like a chicken with it's head cut off as it knows its days are numbered. They are also meeting with IAM and TWU. Meanwhile the NMB are verifying the cards for a AFA-CWA election.
APFA could merge with almost bankrupt PFAA
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Won't happen.
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I wouldn't be suprised.
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No this is an attempt for the failed leadership of PFAA to try and keep their positions and most importantly their excessive salaries. The rank and file FA's want AFA-CWA but PFAA does whats best for themselves and not their membership.After all they negiotated 21% temp now permanent paycuts without ever poling the membership, nor have they done any surveys to find out what the FA's are willing to give up. Now they will only say their position on the pitiful TA is neutral.
Don't let PFAA rob your dues money too!
jimntx
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Or, it could be an attempt by APFA to bring in additional dues money. THB mentioned in the last Skyword that the 4 lawsuits pending against APFA could bankrupt the union because the union allowed the litigation liability insurance to lapse. At the time the 4 lawsuits were filed the union had no insurance.
And, why ever would the NWA flight attendants be willing to risk having a repeat of what APFA did to the TW flight attendants? Does anyone think that any airline's f/as are going to be that dumb as to risk an alliance with APFA?
And, why ever would the NWA flight attendants be willing to risk having a repeat of what APFA did to the TW flight attendants? Does anyone think that any airline's f/as are going to be that dumb as to risk an alliance with APFA?
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Then tell us why Arpey and his buddies where on a flight to MSP last month from DFW? My friend worked the flight they where on!! Hmmm, makes you think???
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[quote name='Nor'Easta' post='375900' date='Apr 28 2006, 12:08 AM']Then tell us why Arpey and his buddies where on a flight to MSP last month from DFW? My friend worked the flight they where on!! Hmmm, makes you think???[/quote]
Yeah, well I had them on a flight to ORD, does that mean we are going to buy UAL also? When Arpey flies out of DAL, does that mean we are going to buy/merge with Southwest?
Maybe their Lion's Club convention was in MSP.
Yeah, well I had them on a flight to ORD, does that mean we are going to buy UAL also? When Arpey flies out of DAL, does that mean we are going to buy/merge with Southwest?
Maybe their Lion's Club convention was in MSP.
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After what the APFA did to the TW f/a's I highly doubt that PFAA or any Union for that matter would join APFA.
If NW were acquired I am sure that AMR/APFA would require the airline to give up their Scope Clause. I can see another massive law suit coming if that were to happen. With 8,000+ PFAA members <just guessing at the NW numbers> they would bankrupt APFA. APFA did not renew their litigation insurance. I guess Ms. Cathy cut APFA's cost to the bone.
I hope that what happened to the TW f/a's never happens to the Loyal NW f/a's.
If NW were acquired I am sure that AMR/APFA would require the airline to give up their Scope Clause. I can see another massive law suit coming if that were to happen. With 8,000+ PFAA members <just guessing at the NW numbers> they would bankrupt APFA. APFA did not renew their litigation insurance. I guess Ms. Cathy cut APFA's cost to the bone.
I hope that what happened to the TW f/a's never happens to the Loyal NW f/a's.
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:down: UPDATE PFAA TO DO ANYTHING TO STOP AFA-CWA
PFAA/TWU AFFILIATION AGREEMENT
This Agreement (hereafter the "Agreement") whereby the Professional Flight Attendants Association (hereafter, "PFAA") becomes an affiliate of Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO (hereafter, "TWU") and entered into this 5th day of May, 2006:
WHEREAS, the representatives of the parties have met and have concluded that the interest of both would be best served by the affiliation of PFAA into TWU and establishment of its members as a Local Union of TWU and have agreed on the following terms of affiliation.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT AGREED:
1. PFAA shall become an affiliate of TWU as soon as this Agreement receives the approvals required by the Constitutions of both TWU and PFAA for the implementation of such an agreement (see par. 8 below). At such time, the International Secretary-Treasurer of TWU shall issue to PFAA a charter as Local 787 of TWU. Thereafter, all members in good standing of PFAA shall be deemed members of TWU.
2. The affairs of PFAA/Local 787, following the issuance to it of a charter as a TWU local, shall be governed in accord both with the Constitution of PFAA and the Constitution of TWU. Should the documents appear to contradict one another on a given matter, the parties shall endeavor to interpret the documents so as to harmonize with one another.
3. During the first two years of affiliation with TWU, PFAA and TWU shall each appoint a committee to meet to determine whether there are matters which TWU and PFAA Constitutions cannot be harmonized, and if so to make recommendations as to how to deal with these matters, provided that any matters dealt with in this Agreement (see e.g. par. 4 below) shall govern.
4. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XVII of the TWU Constitution, PFAA/Local 787, during the first four years of its affiliation with TWU, shall make per capita payments to TWU as follows:
First year: 5% of dues collected from members;
Second year: 10% of dues collected from members;
Third year: 15% of dues collective from members;
Fourth year: 20% of dues collected from members.
Thereafter, per capita payments to TWU shall be 30% of dues collected from members and shall be governed by Article XVII of the TWU Constitution.
TWU will provide at its expense experienced and competent Legal service and make available the facilities of its Media, Research, Education, Political-Legislative and Public Relations without charge to the Local.
5. It is the intent of the parties that PFAA/Local 787 be and remain the certified collective bargaining representative of the craft or class of flight attendants at Northwest Airlines. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XXIV, Section 4.(B) of the TWU Constitution, PFAA/Local 787 shall maintain exclusive rights to sign any collective bargaining agreement between PFAA/Local 787 and Northwest Airlines.
6. PFAA shall retain the right to disaffiliate from TWU, provided that if PFAA chooses to exercise this right, it will send written notice to TWU of its decision to disaffiliate anytime during the third year of the affiliation. Any decision to disaffiliate must be made by either the same procedure which led to the affiliation, or by some other method whereby members have an opportunity to cast a secret ballot on the issue. Should PFAA disaffiliate from TWU in accord with this provision, PFAA will retain its books, records, funds, properties and assets.
7. TWU shall not act under this Constitution to place PFAA/Local 787 in a trusteeship or administratorship, except in strict conformity with the TWU Constitution, and except in strict conformity with the purposes for which the LMRDA permits a parent union to place a subordinate affiliate into trusteeship "... for the purpose of correcting corruption or financial malpractice, assuring the performance of collective bargaining agreement or other duties of a bargaining representative, restoring democratic procedures, or otherwise carrying out the legitimate objects of the national organization...." (42 USC Sec. 462). Further, should TWU decide to impose a trusteeship on PFAA/Local 787 in the first two years and three months of the affiliation, PFAA/Local 787 may choose at that time to disaffiliate from TWU rather than have trusteeship imposed upon it. Finally, TWU shall not impose a trusteeship upon PFAA/Local 787, nor shall it impose discipline on any individual for positions that PFAA/Local 787 or any of its members may take regarding whether or not to exercise the disaffiliation option provided by par. 6 above.
8. TWU and PFAA both agree that, once this agreement is signed, they will expedite all procedures required by their respective Constitutions to implement this Agreement. Each party shall notify the other promptly when it has obtained (or failed to obtain) the needed approval. Once each party has informed the other that approval has been obtained, then the Agreement shall be implemented in full, and PFAA/Local 787 shall received a charter as a TWU Local in accord with par. 1 above.
9. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XIV, Section 3. of the TWU Constitution, in the event of dissolution of PFAA/Local 787, the International Administrative Committee shall act as agent for the membership and dispose of all the physical assets of PFAA/Local 787 by suitable means. All of the liquid assets shall then be prorated to the active members on record of PFAA/Local 787 at the time of such dissolution in proportion to the monies then being paid by such members, less any indebtedness, or legal proceeding arising out of the dissolution. The dues paid during the last completed fiscal year by each active member relative to all dues income shall determine such prorated share. Any disputes concerning a member's prorated share shall be submitted to the PFAA/Local 787's retained Certified Public Accountant for a final and binding disposition.
10. PFAA/Local 787 shall attempt to ensure its Constitution and By-Laws conform to the TWU Constitution. In the event that PFAA/Local 787 desires to amend its Constitution or Bylaws, the International Administrative Committee shall not reasonably refuse such amendments.
11. TWU agrees that PFAA/Local 787's structure shall be as delineated in the PFAA/Local 787 Constitution, as may be amended.
12. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XVII, Section 1.(a) of the TWU Constitution, PFAA/Local 787's dues shall be as delineated in the PFAA/Local 787 Constitution.
For TWU
James C. Little, TWUA International President
John J. Kerrigan, TWUA International Secretary Treasurer
Gary W. Yingst, TWUA Vice President Director Air Transport Division
For PFAA
Guy D. Meek, PFAA President
Doug Moe, PFAA Vice President
Andy Damis, PFAA Secretary Treasurer
Hal Peterson, PFAA Member-at-Large
Karen Schultz, PFAA Member-at-Large
PFAA/TWU AFFILIATION AGREEMENT
This Agreement (hereafter the "Agreement") whereby the Professional Flight Attendants Association (hereafter, "PFAA") becomes an affiliate of Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO (hereafter, "TWU") and entered into this 5th day of May, 2006:
WHEREAS, the representatives of the parties have met and have concluded that the interest of both would be best served by the affiliation of PFAA into TWU and establishment of its members as a Local Union of TWU and have agreed on the following terms of affiliation.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT AGREED:
1. PFAA shall become an affiliate of TWU as soon as this Agreement receives the approvals required by the Constitutions of both TWU and PFAA for the implementation of such an agreement (see par. 8 below). At such time, the International Secretary-Treasurer of TWU shall issue to PFAA a charter as Local 787 of TWU. Thereafter, all members in good standing of PFAA shall be deemed members of TWU.
2. The affairs of PFAA/Local 787, following the issuance to it of a charter as a TWU local, shall be governed in accord both with the Constitution of PFAA and the Constitution of TWU. Should the documents appear to contradict one another on a given matter, the parties shall endeavor to interpret the documents so as to harmonize with one another.
3. During the first two years of affiliation with TWU, PFAA and TWU shall each appoint a committee to meet to determine whether there are matters which TWU and PFAA Constitutions cannot be harmonized, and if so to make recommendations as to how to deal with these matters, provided that any matters dealt with in this Agreement (see e.g. par. 4 below) shall govern.
4. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XVII of the TWU Constitution, PFAA/Local 787, during the first four years of its affiliation with TWU, shall make per capita payments to TWU as follows:
First year: 5% of dues collected from members;
Second year: 10% of dues collected from members;
Third year: 15% of dues collective from members;
Fourth year: 20% of dues collected from members.
Thereafter, per capita payments to TWU shall be 30% of dues collected from members and shall be governed by Article XVII of the TWU Constitution.
TWU will provide at its expense experienced and competent Legal service and make available the facilities of its Media, Research, Education, Political-Legislative and Public Relations without charge to the Local.
5. It is the intent of the parties that PFAA/Local 787 be and remain the certified collective bargaining representative of the craft or class of flight attendants at Northwest Airlines. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XXIV, Section 4.(B) of the TWU Constitution, PFAA/Local 787 shall maintain exclusive rights to sign any collective bargaining agreement between PFAA/Local 787 and Northwest Airlines.
6. PFAA shall retain the right to disaffiliate from TWU, provided that if PFAA chooses to exercise this right, it will send written notice to TWU of its decision to disaffiliate anytime during the third year of the affiliation. Any decision to disaffiliate must be made by either the same procedure which led to the affiliation, or by some other method whereby members have an opportunity to cast a secret ballot on the issue. Should PFAA disaffiliate from TWU in accord with this provision, PFAA will retain its books, records, funds, properties and assets.
7. TWU shall not act under this Constitution to place PFAA/Local 787 in a trusteeship or administratorship, except in strict conformity with the TWU Constitution, and except in strict conformity with the purposes for which the LMRDA permits a parent union to place a subordinate affiliate into trusteeship "... for the purpose of correcting corruption or financial malpractice, assuring the performance of collective bargaining agreement or other duties of a bargaining representative, restoring democratic procedures, or otherwise carrying out the legitimate objects of the national organization...." (42 USC Sec. 462). Further, should TWU decide to impose a trusteeship on PFAA/Local 787 in the first two years and three months of the affiliation, PFAA/Local 787 may choose at that time to disaffiliate from TWU rather than have trusteeship imposed upon it. Finally, TWU shall not impose a trusteeship upon PFAA/Local 787, nor shall it impose discipline on any individual for positions that PFAA/Local 787 or any of its members may take regarding whether or not to exercise the disaffiliation option provided by par. 6 above.
8. TWU and PFAA both agree that, once this agreement is signed, they will expedite all procedures required by their respective Constitutions to implement this Agreement. Each party shall notify the other promptly when it has obtained (or failed to obtain) the needed approval. Once each party has informed the other that approval has been obtained, then the Agreement shall be implemented in full, and PFAA/Local 787 shall received a charter as a TWU Local in accord with par. 1 above.
9. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XIV, Section 3. of the TWU Constitution, in the event of dissolution of PFAA/Local 787, the International Administrative Committee shall act as agent for the membership and dispose of all the physical assets of PFAA/Local 787 by suitable means. All of the liquid assets shall then be prorated to the active members on record of PFAA/Local 787 at the time of such dissolution in proportion to the monies then being paid by such members, less any indebtedness, or legal proceeding arising out of the dissolution. The dues paid during the last completed fiscal year by each active member relative to all dues income shall determine such prorated share. Any disputes concerning a member's prorated share shall be submitted to the PFAA/Local 787's retained Certified Public Accountant for a final and binding disposition.
10. PFAA/Local 787 shall attempt to ensure its Constitution and By-Laws conform to the TWU Constitution. In the event that PFAA/Local 787 desires to amend its Constitution or Bylaws, the International Administrative Committee shall not reasonably refuse such amendments.
11. TWU agrees that PFAA/Local 787's structure shall be as delineated in the PFAA/Local 787 Constitution, as may be amended.
12. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XVII, Section 1.(a) of the TWU Constitution, PFAA/Local 787's dues shall be as delineated in the PFAA/Local 787 Constitution.
For TWU
James C. Little, TWUA International President
John J. Kerrigan, TWUA International Secretary Treasurer
Gary W. Yingst, TWUA Vice President Director Air Transport Division
For PFAA
Guy D. Meek, PFAA President
Doug Moe, PFAA Vice President
Andy Damis, PFAA Secretary Treasurer
Hal Peterson, PFAA Member-at-Large
Karen Schultz, PFAA Member-at-Large
Bingo. Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. APFA, the money whores, are looking for more deniro to fund their excessive trip removals. They are way over their current budget so they need more money to make sure they don't actually have to, heaven forbid, fly! Egads, imagine them actually having to do that?!
The only NWA FAs would want the APFA would be the same reason we would want another union. The one they/we have will do anything the company wants as long as the people in charge at the union get to stay home and get paid for it. Union work is not about doing what is good for the membership, it is doing what is good for their home lives. The idea is it is better to get paid to stay home than to actually have to show up and do the job they were originally hired to do, or the job they were elected to do.
jimntx
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Actually, the lapse in the litigation liability insurance happened on JW's watch. I think they have insurance again.
Well the labor movement does need to consolidate.
But not into the TWU.
If anything both the PFAA and the APFA should be meeting with the AFA.
4. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XVII of the TWU Constitution, PFAA/Local 787, during the first four years of its affiliation with TWU, shall make per capita payments to TWU as follows:
First year: 5% of dues collected from members;
Second year: 10% of dues collected from members;
Third year: 15% of dues collective from members;
Fourth year: 20% of dues collected from members.
Thereafter, per capita payments to TWU shall be 30% of dues collected from members and shall be governed by Article XVII of the TWU Constitution.
Hmmm, and when the TWU chartered the maintenance locals we were given no repreive on dues, only loans that we had to pay back dspite the fact that we paid dues for years to the TWU. Now the TWU wants to violate their own Constitution and allow a local to pay lower per capita than everyone else. Looks like another complaint is in the works with the DOL.
So, the PFAA puts in the TWU, their officers go onto the TWU payroll, then a member from another Local files charges with the DOL and forces the TWU to collect 30% from year one like everyone else, and the TWU tells the NWA FAs not to blame the International, but still collects the 30%.
But not into the TWU.
If anything both the PFAA and the APFA should be meeting with the AFA.
4. Notwithstanding anything that may be to the contrary in Article XVII of the TWU Constitution, PFAA/Local 787, during the first four years of its affiliation with TWU, shall make per capita payments to TWU as follows:
First year: 5% of dues collected from members;
Second year: 10% of dues collected from members;
Third year: 15% of dues collective from members;
Fourth year: 20% of dues collected from members.
Thereafter, per capita payments to TWU shall be 30% of dues collected from members and shall be governed by Article XVII of the TWU Constitution.
Hmmm, and when the TWU chartered the maintenance locals we were given no repreive on dues, only loans that we had to pay back dspite the fact that we paid dues for years to the TWU. Now the TWU wants to violate their own Constitution and allow a local to pay lower per capita than everyone else. Looks like another complaint is in the works with the DOL.
So, the PFAA puts in the TWU, their officers go onto the TWU payroll, then a member from another Local files charges with the DOL and forces the TWU to collect 30% from year one like everyone else, and the TWU tells the NWA FAs not to blame the International, but still collects the 30%.
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AA = No way... figure out the huge TWA mistake first. The NWA group would bring AA down (even stapled). That is one hard core group no one wants to play with...
LOL, It will be DAL/NWA with NWA's consent to a CAL/UAL merger (per DOJ stock ownership NWA agreement). The new powerhouse will be DAL/NWA followed by UAL/CAL and then AA...wait and see.
