Another TIMCO failure - 757 with blocked exit rows due to misaligned econ seats

[FWAAA]

Funny how the MROs seem to constantly screw up seats on AA planes. Do TIMCO and the other MROs botch the maintenance of the other airlines' planes too and we just don't hear about them?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/american_airlines_jet_carried_thousands_CU4NAQuhtZZWOqryAsakAN

 

[1AA]

True story. Word out of NY is that not only were the seats misaligned or miss pitched but the overhead PSU's were not properly spaced as well. Speaker panels, PSU panels and the blank panels in between were out of configuration. They had shifts work overtime around the clock to get the aircraft back in service. How many more are screwed up? Timco is our best overtime generator yet. Keep on screwing them up boys. Our qualified AMT's will fix it on OVERTIME.

 

[amt66]

Funny how the MROs seem to constantly screw up seats on AA planes. Do TIMCO and the other MROs botch the maintenance of the other airlines' planes too and we just don't hear about them?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/american_airlines_jet_carried_thousands_CU4NAQuhtZZWOqryAsakAN

Are you implying something?

 

[eolesen]

It all comes down to the QA. If the AA guys on-site at Timco are only concerned with is the paperwork, then crap is going to show up on the line.

Not trying to shift blame from Timco -- they screwed up.

But....

1) How did it go thru months of A checks and probably a B check or two without a mechanic noticing?

2) How did hundreds of flight attendants do pre-flight safety checks without reporting this? Aren't they supposed to check exit doors?

Checks and balances only work if the checks are actually made...

 

[1AA]

Funny how the MROs seem to constantly screw up seats on AA planes. Do TIMCO and the other MROs botch the maintenance of the other airlines' planes too and we just don't hear about them?

http://www.nypost.co...htZZWOqryAsakAN

Not hearing about it is the scary part. Especially on overseas aircraft with little to none oversight. TIMCO is in the US but I am sure they do work for foreign carriers.
Unfortunately for us here at AA we are under the microscope and in the USA.
Every little thing gets monitored and some how ends up on You Tube for the world to see.

 

[IORFA]

You think it is our job to make sure the window exits open? Ugh, no. That would be maintenance's job. Remember, they are the only liscensed and qualified ones to do that. Maybe it should have been our job to make sure the Dunces at the top had an ounce of common sense and better yet aren't color blind. They sure failed with the livery and logo. I bet if we did notice it, management would have ignored it anyway. Remember they are the only decision makers around here anyway, good, bad or fugly. If they didn't notice or come up with it. It didn't/doesn't happen.

 

[1AA]

I'm sure the flight crews and maintenance will take notice now.
We have to do our part in helping out the company through these turbulent times.

 

[FWAAA]

If the seats were really two inches from spec, I gotta wonder how the passengers didn't notice during December and January? When I sit in an exit row window seat, I don't get out a tape measure and perform an inspection, but I'd notice if things were two inches out of whack. The reduced legroom would certainly get my attention.

 

[ContUNITEus]

It all comes down to the QA. If the AA guys on-site at Timco are only concerned with is the paperwork, then crap is going to show up on the line.

Not trying to shift blame from Timco -- they screwed up.

But....

1) How did it go thru months of A checks and probably a B check or two without a mechanic noticing?

2) How did hundreds of flight attendants do pre-flight safety checks without reporting this? Aren't they supposed to check exit doors?

Checks and balances only work if the checks are actually made...

Uhhhmmmm what?

Since when do flight attendants check emergency exit doors at US carriers, much less those at overwing locations? Flight attendants don't even check the pressure gauge at the exits anymore at some US carriers!

 

[cf6mech]

It all comes down to the QA. If the AA guys on-site at Timco are only concerned with is the paperwork, then crap is going to show up on the line.

Not trying to shift blame from Timco -- they screwed up.

But....

1) How did it go thru months of A checks and probably a B check or two without a mechanic noticing?

2) How did hundreds of flight attendants do pre-flight safety checks without reporting this? Aren't they supposed to check exit doors?

Checks and balances only work if the checks are actually made...

Seat spacing checks aren't done on A or B checks that I know of,.....and it wouldn't suprise me of this being missed in recent times in maintenance as mechanics are pretty down in the dumps and don't do extra eyeballing of things unless its specified in the bill of work / work cards, or written up,....its not good,not good at all and I'm not condoning anything but morale and job pride is the lowest I have ever seen. Seems alot of the professionalism is gone now,(my observation) thats all I can say on the American side,....as far as Timco,...you get what you pay for,...specially if they are unlicensed students.

 

[amt66]

Seat spacing checks aren't done on A or B checks that I know of,.....and it wouldn't suprise me of this being missed in recent times in maintenance as mechanics are pretty down in the dumps and don't do extra eyeballing of things unless its specified in the bill of work, or written up,....its not good and I'm not condoning anything but morale and job pride is the lowest I have ever seen. thats all I can say on the American side,....as far as Timco,...you get what you pay for,...specially if they are unlicensed students.

Seat spacing ck no however A ck does call out to make sure seats don't block exit

 

[cf6mech]

Your right, which is pretty much the same thing.

 

[chris perry]

It all comes down to the QA. If the AA guys on-site at Timco are only concerned with is the paperwork, then crap is going to show up on the line.

Not trying to shift blame from Timco -- they screwed up.

But....

1) How did it go thru months of A checks and probably a B check or two without a mechanic noticing?

2) How did hundreds of flight attendants do pre-flight safety checks without reporting this? Aren't they supposed to check exit doors?

Checks and balances only work if the checks are actually made...

It all comes down to the QA. If the AA guys on-site at Timco are only concerned with is the paperwork, then crap is going to show up on the line.

Not trying to shift blame from Timco -- they screwed up.

But....

1) How did it go thru months of A checks and probably a B check or two without a mechanic noticing?

2) How did hundreds of flight attendants do pre-flight safety checks without reporting this? Aren't they supposed to check exit doors?

Checks and balances only work if the checks are actually made...

All the checks and balances went away after TWA and 911,now if you find something your the bad guy(troublemaker).

 

[Mach85ER]

It all comes down to the QA. If the AA guys on-site at Timco are only concerned with is the paperwork, then crap is going to show up on the line.

Not trying to shift blame from Timco -- they screwed up.

Enough E.

I've really had enough with this buffoonery of the current management. That is where the responsibility lies, not Timco. If it was up to me, there would be several walked out the front door of CP with a small box of desk decorations including Horton by 10 am tomorrow. I've had enough of seats, Timco, High School Art class livery designs, weak ad work, and people without a shred of leadership skill in leading people. I've also had enough of one you spoke of highly in the past, a southern hub VP who still can't figure out how to keep a moving walkway moving or even have the shred of operational common sense to put an "inop" gate in front of it to keep people from tripping. It's been months..

This situation and the defection of blame by AA reminds me of a NTSB investigator in our jumpseat discussing the ValuJet Everglades crash. He was former VJ and claimed that poor VJ was screwed by the contractor and they weren't responsible. I turned around and blistered him by asking since they didn't train their pilots or FA's, didn't do their maintenance, reservations, catering, cleaning, overhaul and shipping of COMAT, what exactly were they responsible for when running an airline.

Sorry for the rant, the endless loop has got to end.

 

[cf6mech]

All the checks and balances went away after TWA and 911,now if you find something your the bad guy(troublemaker).

Chris ! ,.... my man ! You nailed it,.....and so very true !