Well looks like this GreAAt Airline has yet slapped the flight attendants in the face again especially those involved in the latest furlough. It appears that the company has sent to the unemployment offices employment figures for figuring unemployment wages based on the restructuring agreements new wages instead of those wages earned under the old contract for the year ending 2002. This results in all those now attempting to collect unemployment losing approximately $100 less a month than the previous furloughs have been recieving. Talk about lies, and deceit. If this company ever plans on surviving it needs to stop the lies and treat its employees with a little more respect. My only regret is I didn''t call in sick more often. I earned that sick time and didn''t get paid for it, nor will I ever see any benefit from earning it.
Another Slap in the Face!
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WingNaPrayer
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Unemployment compensation is calculated on the previous 9, 13, and 26 weeks worked (depending on extensions if any). If your work weeks fall entirely under the new contract terms, then those are the terms your UCB is calculated at. Previous furloughed employees are probably drawing more UCB because their work weeks fell under the old pay rates.
AA has no choice but to proffer up current figures as that is how the UCB rules work. If they filed current reports under the old contract terms, they would end up paying more for unemployment insurance which would be extremely stupid since employees can only draw based on the aforementioned current weeks. Unemployment insurance premiums are based on actual wages paid, not on any contract.
AA has no choice but to proffer up current figures as that is how the UCB rules work. If they filed current reports under the old contract terms, they would end up paying more for unemployment insurance which would be extremely stupid since employees can only draw based on the aforementioned current weeks. Unemployment insurance premiums are based on actual wages paid, not on any contract.
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On 7/8/2003 6:28:16 PM AAmech wrote:
Let me add to this: Grow up and quit whining! The STATE YOU LIVE IN makes the rules concerning Unemployment Compensation!
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And let me add to this...the STATE I LIVE IN doesn''t want to pay me, I have to collect from the STATE I WORKED IN.On 7/8/2003 6:28:16 PM AAmech wrote:
Let me add to this: Grow up and quit whining! The STATE YOU LIVE IN makes the rules concerning Unemployment Compensation!
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WingNaPrayer
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Then you got an idiot for a UCB counselor. ANY state can draw against another state''s UCB funds. Your state pays you and collects from the payor state quarterly.
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On 7/10/2003 3:08:39 PM TWAnr wrote:
WNP, you have no clue about the Unemployment Insurance Benefits collection problems.
With a handful of exceptions, just about every single one of the laid off former TWA flight attendants and pilots, who were not residents of Missouri, were denied unemployment compensation benefits when they applied in the states where they lived, paid taxes and voted. American Airlines paid into the Missouri Unemployment Compensation fund for each employee based in Missouri and not into the programs in the states where the employees actually resided.
This has been the uniform experience of those who lived in New York, California, Florida, Massachusetts and other states. The only exception is Illinois, which has a reciprocity agreement with Missouri; however, even those who live there can only collect the paltry $250 a week Missouri benefits.
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On 7/10/2003 3:08:39 PM TWAnr wrote:
WNP, you have no clue about the Unemployment Insurance Benefits collection problems.
With a handful of exceptions, just about every single one of the laid off former TWA flight attendants and pilots, who were not residents of Missouri, were denied unemployment compensation benefits when they applied in the states where they lived, paid taxes and voted. American Airlines paid into the Missouri Unemployment Compensation fund for each employee based in Missouri and not into the programs in the states where the employees actually resided.
This has been the uniform experience of those who lived in New York, California, Florida, Massachusetts and other states. The only exception is Illinois, which has a reciprocity agreement with Missouri; however, even those who live there can only collect the paltry $250 a week Missouri benefits.
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Well, you abide by the tax laws in the state that you reside in. States with leaner unemployment compensation will tend to have lower taxes. If you live in one of those states, you will enjoy lower taxes. However, when the misfortune of unemployment rolls around as sadly it did for these furloughed pilots and FAs, then it becomes painful. I guess the lesson is that, from a state tax and unemployment benefits standpoint, you can''t have your cake and eat it too.
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On 7/9/2003 4:06:39 PM WingNaPrayer wrote:
Then you got an idiot for a UCB counselor. ANY state can draw against another state's UCB funds. Your state pays you and collects from the payor state quarterly.
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WNP, you have no clue about the Unemployment Insurance Benefits collection problems.On 7/9/2003 4:06:39 PM WingNaPrayer wrote:
Then you got an idiot for a UCB counselor. ANY state can draw against another state's UCB funds. Your state pays you and collects from the payor state quarterly.
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With a handful of exceptions, just about every single one of the laid off former TWA flight attendants and pilots, who were not residents of Missouri, were denied unemployment compensation benefits when they applied in the states where they lived, paid taxes and voted. American Airlines paid into the Missouri Unemployment Compensation fund for each employee based in Missouri and not into the programs in the states where the employees actually resided.
This has been the uniform experience of those who lived in New York, California, Florida, Massachusetts and other states. The only exception is Illinois, which has a reciprocity agreement with Missouri; however, even those who live there can only collect the paltry $250 a week Missouri benefits.
Most of the exceptions were due to the claimant's having earned a salary, mostly in a second job, in their home state during the eighteen months period preceding their unemployment.
WingNaPrayer
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On 7/10/2003 3:08:39 PM TWAnr wrote:
I KNOW how UCB works, and if this is the crap that's being delivered to former TWA employees, then they need to march their little fannies right up to their nearest state representative. Everyone is entitled to draw UCB from the state in which they worked. If you lived in a different state than you worked in, then you are entitled to apply for benefits as a non-resident (alien) and any UCB office that isn't helping you get through the muck and mire of such red tape is being plain lazy!On 7/10/2003 3:08:39 PM TWAnr wrote:
WNP, you have no clue about the Unemployment Insurance Benefits collection problems.
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Pick up the phone and dial up your state rep and ream them a new a$$hole and make your problem, THEIR problem! If you'd rather just sit back and take your lumps while you whine about it on message boards, then go get your food stamps!
WingNaPrayer
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On 7/10/2003 5
18 PM TWAnr wrote:
Regardless of the fact that they were based in St. Louis, residents of those states paid their home states income and other taxes, based on their residency, but they can only collect unemployment compensation at the Missouri rate because that is where they were based.
To me it sounds more like paying for cake but eating only the crumbs as opposed to eating the cake and having it too.
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Ok now I understand your complaint just a hair better. Unemployment benefits have nothing to do with income taxes or where they are paid. Unemployment is insurance, not a tax nor is it tax supported. Employers can buy it from the state(s) or from State Farm if they want to. If MO. is where the UCB Insurance was bought, since that is where you were technically employed, and from that states UCB insurance program, then that is the rate you get, no matter where you live. On 7/10/2003 5
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On 7/10/2003 3:48:07 PM LaBradford22 wrote:
States with leaner unemployment compensation will tend to have lower taxes. If you live in one of those states, you will enjoy lower taxes. I guess the lesson is that, from a state tax and unemployment benefits standpoint, you can''t have your cake and eat it too.
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How about paying the higher state income taxes and other taxes in New York, Massachusetts and California and collecting Missouri unemployment which is less than half of what is paid by some of those other states?On 7/10/2003 3:48:07 PM LaBradford22 wrote:
States with leaner unemployment compensation will tend to have lower taxes. If you live in one of those states, you will enjoy lower taxes. I guess the lesson is that, from a state tax and unemployment benefits standpoint, you can''t have your cake and eat it too.
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Regardless of the fact that they were based in St. Louis, residents of those states paid their home states income and other taxes, based on their residency, but they can only collect unemployment compensation at the Missouri rate because that is where they were based.
To me it sounds more like paying for cake but eating only the crumbs as opposed to eating the cake and having it too.
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I thought you didn''t understand that you can collect FROM Missouri no matter where you live is MO is where the insurance was paid on your behalf. My bad!
Unfortunately, rates, and benefits DO vary from state to state. I doubt the day will ever come when it''s uniform in all 50.
In the meantime, AA has done nothing wrong. You were technically an employee under the rules and regulations of the Missouri unemployment system, and AA was bound to pay UCB insurance on your behalf in that state. Technically, they had no choice, they were bound by federal employment law. I could also imagine the nitemare it would be if AA tried to buy UCB insurance in every state that an employee calls home - that could get very ugly.
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On 7/10/2003 3:48:07 PM LaBradford22 wrote:
States with leaner unemployment compensation will tend to have lower taxes. If you live in one of those states, you will enjoy lower taxes. I guess the lesson is that, from a state tax and unemployment benefits standpoint, you can''t have your cake and eat it too.
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How about paying the higher state income taxes and other taxes in New York, Massachusetts and California and collecting Missouri unemployment which is less than half of what is paid by some of those other states?On 7/10/2003 3:48:07 PM LaBradford22 wrote:
States with leaner unemployment compensation will tend to have lower taxes. If you live in one of those states, you will enjoy lower taxes. I guess the lesson is that, from a state tax and unemployment benefits standpoint, you can''t have your cake and eat it too.
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Regardless of the fact that they were based in St. Louis, residents of those states paid their home states income and other taxes, based on their residency, but they can only collect unemployment compensation at the Missouri rate because that is where they were based.
To me it sounds more like paying for cake but eating only the crumbs as opposed to eating the cake and having it too.
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