Analysts Call Southwest Fare Reductions Cutthroat

[USA320Pilot]

Analysts Call Southwest Fare Reductions Cutthroat

Analyst: "Everybody knows that the industry is going to shake out, and this is going to make it that much tougher for those airlines that are in tough shape, like Delta, United and US Airways, to continue to survive"

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Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[insp89]

Analysts Call Southwest Fare Reductions Cutthroat

Analyst: "Everybody knows that the industry is going to shake out, and this is going to make it that much tougher for those airlines that are in tough shape, like Delta, United and US Airways, to continue to survive"

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Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

I noticed the analyist failed to mention the F/A's @ Southwest have negotiated substantial pay and beneifit improvments..

 

[Winglet]

Isn't this exactly what the majors did to a lot of other startups over the last 20 years. I think the object here is to accelerate the bleeding from U's sucking chest wound.

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

I noticed the analyist failed to mention the F/A's @ Southwest have negotiated substantial pay and beneifit improvments..

Thats not the point here Insp, the lcc's have a different model. All Lcc's, especially SW, are making surgical incisions, and pouring salt over the open wounds!!!!! The clock is ticking,and before you know it, September will be here, and we will have a pretty good idea where we stand. If any posters' on these forums has not been searching other avenues, shame on you!!!! The fat lady is tuning her vocal chords!! GOOD DAY!!!!

 

[PITbull]

I noticed the analyist failed to mention the F/A's @ Southwest have negotiated substantial pay and beneifit improvments..

Actually, their Tentative agreement that is to be voted on by July 30, will make them the highest paid in the Industry.

The News release was sent out on the PIT E-line.

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

Actually, their Tentative agreement that is to be voted on by July 30, will make them the highest paid in the Industry.

The News release was sent out on the PIT E-line.

This is because of there work rules requiring f/a's to assume more duties not traditionally done by "old school" f/a's. I guess its not all glamour anymore!!! # 2, SW obviously KNOWS how to make money!! GOOD DAY!!!!

 

[PITbull]

This is because of there work rules requiring f/a's to assume more duties not traditionally done by "old school" f/a's. I guess its not all glamour anymore!!! # 2, SW obviously KNOWS how to make money!! GOOD DAY!!!!

Not sure what you mean by "old school" f/as. I guess that's on the same line as "OLD union mentality".

You forgot to mention that SW has great management.

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

Not sure what you mean by "old school" f/as. I guess that's on the same line as "OLD union mentality".

You forgot to mention that SW has great management.

PITBULL, What I was trying to convey was the way airlines operated during the 70's through the 90's is TOTALLY different in the present environment. I mentioned f/a's because their jobs have changed the most, as far as added duties, and things not required of past f/a's. Was not slamming f/a's. Thats why I said its not all glamour anymore

 

[PITbull]

Hmm.... <_<

 

[Bear96]

USAir320Pilot,

In the title of this thread, you ask, "Can USAirways continue to survive?"

I think everyone here has figured out the answer to that question, except for you.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Analysts Call Southwest Fare Reductions Cutthroat

Analyst: "Everybody knows that the industry is going to shake out, and this is going to make it that much tougher for those airlines that are in tough shape, like Delta, United and US Airways, to continue to survive"

See Story

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

Welcome to the world of payback is a b$$$$. Or you reap what you sow. Or any number of sayings.

So USA320PimpPilot do you want them to play pattycake instead?

 

[insp89]

Thats not the point here Insp, the lcc's have a different model. All Lcc's, especially SW, are making surgical incisions, and pouring salt over the open wounds!!!!! The clock is ticking,and before you know it, September will be here, and we will have a pretty good idea where we stand. If any posters' on these forums has not been searching other avenues, shame on you!!!! The fat lady is tuning her vocal chords!! GOOD DAY!!!!

NFS, I beg to differ, The point is the mighty and powerful Southwest has their own set of problems that are usually not brought out in the light of day by a lot of bias analysts.. You might recall a airline called MIDATLANTIC, which was created with the help from the $1.5 billion dollars in concessions from the employees at good ole Usairways.. I might be mistaken, But I will go out on a limb and say that Midatlantic is a LOWER cost LCC than Southwest....[The fat lady needs to invest in a new tuning fork or something, She's been tuning her vocal cords for YEARS] 😀 .GOOD DAY!!!!!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Insp89,

As for MAA being lower cost than WN, the jury is still out. The 2nd quarter should give some insight, since MAA operated the full quarter (excluding the first 3 days of April).

As a sidenote, the company reported the cost data for the -170 to the BTS in the first quarter. Naturally, the data were skewed because the flying was instructional/proving runs with no normal revenue service.

Given the size of the plane (72 seats), I'll be surprised if the direct operating cost is less than about 2 cents per ASM higher than the 320 series/737. Of course, overall CASM will be determined as much by the allocation of the other costs as anything.

Jim

 

[mweiss]

Actually, their Tentative agreement that is to be voted on by July 30, will make them the highest paid in the Industry.

And where's their defined benefit pension plan? Pay is measured in many metrics.

 

[insp89]

Insp89,

As for MAA being lower cost than WN, the jury is still out. The 2nd quarter should give some insight, since MAA operated the full quarter (excluding the first 3 days of April).

As a sidenote, the company reported the cost data for the -170 to the BTS in the first quarter. Naturally, the data were skewed because the flying was instructional/proving runs with no normal revenue service.

Given the size of the plane (72 seats), I'll be surprised if the direct operating cost is less than about 2 cents per ASM higher than the 320 series/737. Of course, overall CASM will be determined as much by the allocation of the other costs as anything.

Jim

Thanks again Jim..