AMT PAY RATES

[CSAR GYRENE]

CSAR--

How's about you posting the inspector rates at the "new NW?"

Buck twentyfive

 

[groundcontrol]

The original question was not asking AMTs to tell what they make as individuals, only the starting and top out pay rates. It is insulting (IMO) to have someone say that we are receiving near “industry standardâ€￾ wages and if we don’t like it, there is the door. If everyone knows what that standard is, then it is knowledge and it can be used during negotiations for the next contract.

The info may not help me, but hopefully it might benefit someone down the line.

Is there a near industry standard? if so what is it? I believe the standards are falling as there are a lot of bankruptcies and give backs.

I think the only way this info will benefit anyone down the line is if the Unions stop putting a top out figure on our livelyhood. A start figure (botton number only) is ok, but I feel you should be able to negociate what you are worth,ie...years of experience, expertise etc...this should be industry wide. (there are so many experienced mx on the street) I also feel that Union dues should be calculated by percentage of your wage and/or if you take a 15-27% pay cut so should your union dues. negociate that in your next contract 😉
JMO

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Well if the "genius" continues to grace these boards with his ignorance, I will continue to expose It. 😀

Actually, I am in partial agreement here. You have occasionally corrected me when I was mistaken, and I do appreciate it. As far as AMT vs A and P, I would say you are partially correct again. All A and P's could be called AMT's, but not all AMT's rate the title A and P. (kinda like all members of the VFW are vets, but not all vets Rate VFW status)
Maybe I'm just old school, but I prefer the title of A and P over AMT. I dont understand how someone can work on aircraft for 20 years, and not get a ticket.

 

[finman]

Copy of twu/aa contract. Note we have OSM's and other classifications of mechanics at lower wages.

http://www.twuatd.org/aarestructure/contra...R-V7-041003.pdf

pay chart
http://www.twuatd.org/aarestructure/payscalesmandr.htm

So the top step AA AMTs are paid the same as the NWA replacements ($27.##/hr)? Did the TWU/AA negotiate that contract before or after the AMFA strike?

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

BeenThere, since none of the scabs that frequent this site seem to want to provide you the information, here is what NW put forth in their "last best offer" to their technicians on Aug. 18, 2005 (before the strike)...

Reduce base pay 25.7% (from $30.89 to $22.95 per hour),
Reduce license premium from $2.50 to $1.79 per license (2 license max.),
Reduce line pay from $.55 to $.09 per hour,
Reduce shift differential from $.51 to $.41 per hour for afternoon shift and from $.58 to $.46 per hour for night shift.

So, the most that someone could be making now at NW is $27.08 per hour (if they worked midnights on the line). From what I've heard, many do not even make that much - and those that are not in line maintenance do not even get the license premiums added to their pay. Also, there are no longer any pay premiums for Lead Technicians, Inspectors, or Lead Inspectors.

I do not know if the company has since reduced the scabs pay scale after the strike started, or plans on doing it after the other unions agree to their concessionary contracts.

Hope that this helps...

Close, but no cigar. Inspecter premium is a buck twentyfive. There are no shift premiums or line pay. Lead pay still "exist", but lead positions dont. (an insane policy, I freely admit) Nearly all brought in since Aug 20 have been brought into at max pay. Of course, this is very fluid, and I wont even pretend to be an expert on the imposed contract, so my figures may be in error.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

So the top step AA AMTs are paid the same as the NWA replacements ($27.##/hr)? Did the TWU/AA negotiate that contract before or after the AMFA strike?

You might want to read it again.

Don't confuse NWAs "all-in" rate with AAs "base" rate.

Oh and re-read the date to, 2003, long before the AMFA strike.

 

[finman]

You might want to read it again.

Don't confuse NWAs "all-in" rate with AAs "base" rate.

Oh and re-read the date to, 2003, long before the AMFA strike.

I guess that was kind of my point. The AMFA guys must have been making 25% more than AA guys after 2003, since a 25% reduction in NWA rates puts them right in line with AA mechanics (within a dollar or two per hour?). You guys are always saying that the replacements "devalued" the craft, when in reality, it was just fixing an obvious discrepency between existing pay rates and the rates the competitors were paying. Please correct me if I'm mis-interpreting this.

 

[Don Smith]

Actually, I am in partial agreement here. You have occasionally corrected me when I was mistaken, and I do appreciate it. As far as AMT vs A and P, I would say you are partially correct again. All A and P's could be called AMT's, but not all AMT's rate the title A and P. (kinda like all members of the VFW are vets, but not all vets Rate VFW status)
Maybe I'm just old school, but I prefer the title of A and P over AMT. I dont understand how someone can work on aircraft for 20 years, and not get a ticket.

You should have seen MSP in it's hay-days. You could take a job in a shop fixing widgets for your whole career, do a good job, make the top pay and retire well. The entire time without an A&P. Only if you aspired to the line would you need your tickets. I would laugh at the guys that intentionally went to CAN LAND...It was a real dead-end job that you couldn't bid out of there but you got weekends off. What a waste of an A&P...but those are the guys that probably crossed the picket lines. Maybe they all have their brass hammers

 

[Don Smith]

I guess that was kind of my point. The AMFA guys must have been making 25% more than AA guys after 2003, since a 25% reduction in NWA rates puts them right in line with AA mechanics (within a dollar or two per hour?). You guys are always saying that the replacements "devalued" the craft, when in reality, it was just fixing an obvious discrepency between existing pay rates and the rates the competitors were paying. Please correct me if I'm mis-interpreting this.

After our contract (negotiated by the AMFA in 2001) was approved we had the "industry leading wage". We also finally had a retirement percentage that was on par with other legacy carriers. The "industry leading wage" was a beach ball being bounced from airline to airline whenever a new contract was approved. Finally it was our turn (nwa mechanics). I don't think the number was 25% but we were above the AA pay scale. This is the base rate. We also moved forward in license pay significantly. It was a fine contract. With the exception of the percentage of outsourcing allowed it was great. The company took advantage and started outsourcing more than the amount allowed and our only option was a greivence..big whoop!
The outsourcing now combined with the skill level of the SCABs is whats hurting the craft. Substandard skills and shortcuts isn't a way to run an airline.

 

[Bizman]

Being a Wal-mart greeter @ $8.00 an hour makes more sense than earning $17.00 an hour for my 24 years of expertise.
(ps...I am not a Wal-mart greeter)

Why Not...............If it's make so much more sense??

Once again SCAB, you don't know what the f..k your talking about!

And of course you know the terms that every shop uses 😉

 

[local 12 proud]

And of course you know the terms that every shop uses 😉

Whats your point jizzman? care to join the debate, or did you just come here in the defense of SCABS like the other beancounter? :blink:

 

[groundcontrol]

Being a Wal-mart greeter @ $8.00 an hour makes more sense than earning $17.00 an hour for my 24 years of expertise.
Sad,Sad,Sad,Sad,Sad,Sad,Sad, 🙁
(ps...I am not a Wal-mart greeter)

Why Not...............If it's make so much more sense??

GREAT...

another bizman WHO DOESN'T GET IT.....

IDIOT alert............ :cop:

 

[local 12 proud]

The outsourcing now combined with the skill level of the SCABs is whats hurting the craft. Substandard skills and shortcuts isn't a way to run an airline.

Well I would assert that some posters to these boards would disagree. I'll not 'beat a dead horse' as finny ole boy puts it concerning the buckets of blue juice shenanigan, seems that's a sore spot with him. I guess a SCAB substituting a calibrated torque wrench as a pry bar could be considered; to borrow a few phrases from our favorite beancounter, "irrelevant, immaterial things", "having a little creativity", and my favorite one "something outside the standard practice in order to get a plane out on time".

You see Don, quality and safety are not in the forefront with the money managers, its all about the bottom line and getting the maximum return for the shareholders, while crossing your fingers and hoping a tragedy does'nt occur. seems substandard skills and shortcuts by outsourcing and using SCABS is as 'finny ole boy' would say..."A vital key to the successful turnaround of NWA"

 

[finman]

Well I would assert that some posters to these boards would disagree. I'll not 'beat a dead horse' as finny ole boy puts it concerning the buckets of blue juice shenanigan, seems that's a sore spot with him. I guess a SCAB substituting a calibrated torque wrench as a pry bar could be considered; to borrow a few phrases from our favorite beancounter, "irrelevant, immaterial things", "having a little creativity", and my favorite one "something outside the standard practice in order to get a plane out on time".

You see Don, quality and safety are not in the forefront with the money managers, its all about the bottom line and getting the maximum return for the shareholders, while crossing your fingers and hoping a tragedy does'nt occur. seems substandard skills and shortcuts by outsourcing and using SCABS is as 'finny ole boy' would say..."A vital key to the successful turnaround of NWA"

I stand by my blue juice comments, as verified by Don himself (as to the procedure not being a big deal in and of itself). The fact that it keeps on being brought up is laughable in and of itself. I never made comment on the pry bar. It seems equally unimportant.

 

[local 12 proud]

I never made comment on the pry bar. It seems equally unimportant.

...And this displays your total and complete ignorance concerning aircraft maintenance.