Amfa...not For Anymore!

[Buck]

Buck, rest assured Im on board with AMFA and the Mechanics at UAL and can only hope that a line has been drawn in the sand, but i fear that with only high senority mech's left they will try to hang on to what little they have left as opposed to starting over in their mid 40's or 50"s. I know i should not prejudge and i hope im wrong but i can only gauge this by what i see in TULSA and you can be sure we would be thrown under the bus here in this land of cowards!

[post="270671"][/post]​

Prejudgement is the problem with those at UAL.

As for your statement concerning those in their mid 40's 0r 50's, it rings true. However it is the lowering of maintenance standards by the low cost carriers and some of the legacy carriers which has some of the blame. Eventually these aircraft will require maintenance. The MRO is already having problems maintaining the contracts they have.

As long as you have the TWU with its jobs at all cost mentallity, the profession will suffer.

 

[Bob Owens]

Just to make it simple folks, the way the BK judges make decisions today the working person has little chance on getting what he or she feels they deserve. So if AMFA negotiated a new contract it was done for a reason. Ask yourself if you would like the BK judge to impose a contract instead of the union and company trying to work out a deal that is better than what a BK judge would force on the working person? You take the better of both evils. Remember that UAL is under BK rules. The workers are always at a dissadvantage. The AMFA is trying to make a bad situation into one that is bearable considering the circumstances they are under. And if you think a strike is in the picture??
You know a judge will place a restraining order immediately to stop any job action.
On the other hand we at AA gave the house away out of BK. Just hope that AA does not go into BK. The UAL situation will smell like roses compared to what Jim Little and company will have in store for us if the situation arises.

[post="270662"][/post]​

Well you can say what you want and blame it on the Judges but the last thing a judge wants to do is cause a major interruption. Especially if its because he is ripping off workers.

So far the Judges have only imposed temporary concessions, and thats due to the FACT that none of the unions have challenged the Judges right to do so. If the unions had said flat out that they would strike, things would have been different. Clearly BK law does not remove any creditors right to future transactions even though it may limit the ability to collect from past transactions. Just because a judge did this or that does not mean that he had the right to do it. They have some leeway in that they can claim that they are trying to make sure that the owners and creditors dont attack each other but the judge does not have the right to supersede law in favor of one party or the other. The RLA gives us the right to strike if conditions concerning the rates of pay are changed, there are no if or buts in there.

 

[Bob Owens]

Buck, rest assured Im on board with AMFA and the Mechanics at UAL and can only hope that a line has been drawn in the sand, but i fear that with only high senority mech's left they will try to hang on to what little they have left as opposed to starting over in their mid 40's or 50"s. I know i should not prejudge and i hope im wrong but i can only gauge this by what i see in TULSA and you can be sure we would be thrown under the bus here in this land of cowards!

[post="270671"][/post]​

Well if only high senior guys are left and there is no pension then what do they have to lose? Seniority doesnt mean much when there is no one under you. Its the same as starting over but they are starting over with no future. They may as well shut the doors and hope that SWA fills in the gap. Then they could start over with a company where the workers have a future.

 

[Checking it Out]

Is it true Amfa has set the stage at United to have line mechanics have better job protection than the base mechanics?

Hopeful your first post was correct for many. Amfa has little chance due to their dismal track record!

 

[Bob Owens]

Is it true Amfa has set the stage at United to have line mechanics have better job protection than the base mechanics?

Hopeful your first post was correct for many. Amfa has little chance due to their dismal track record!

[post="270794"][/post]​

Isnt it true that the TWU gave some overhaul mechanics better job protection than the line mechanics? Isnt it true that with the TWU seniority is not the ultimate arbitor because the TWU allows the company so many exceptions as to who can bump where?

Track records, nobody has a worse record over the last twenty years than the TWU.

 

[Hackman]

I have seen the light. I received an AMFA card in the mail today, and I tore it up.

AMFA's all talk and no action at UAL is the reason I no longer support them. They should have walked off the job as soon as the judge ruled on the pensions. And now they have the gall to return a T/A, which although is not as bad as the TWU concession debacle, and they have changed their tough talk to submission.

Now, I am in no way saying I am happy with the TWU. They are worthless.

But now with AMFA not striking at UAL, they have shown me they talk a good game but they can't play worth a s###!

Count me as a former AMFA supporter!

[post="270589"][/post]​

Its quite upsetting to think you see this as some sort of foolish game to make light of Hopeful. The UAL M@R have stood their ground and not bent over like a twu cheap whore in our case at AA. For you to come here and act like your on a school playground when UAL's workers are in the final fight for their careers is a dispicable act on your part, and you owe them an apology for such a shallow post.

If your an AMFA supporter, you had better start acting like one.

 

[DECISION 2007]

And how does an AMFA supporter act?...Like you?

The UAL M@R have stood their ground

So they signed a contract giving them an improved package due to their what? Oh yeah...by standing their ground. Would you have a link to that great agreement of UAL/AMFA for us to see? And please...type us a little something of the do's and don'ts of an amfa supporter.

 

[Hopeful]

Its quite upsetting to think you see this as some sort of foolish game to make light of Hopeful.  The UAL M@R have stood their ground and not bent over like a twu cheap whore in our case at AA. For you to come here and act like your on a school playground when UAL's workers are in the final fight for their careers is a dispicable act on your part, and you owe them an apology for such a shallow post.

If your an AMFA supporter, you had better start acting like one.

[post="270809"][/post]​

You've got to be kidding me, Hackman!

I added a little humor to this board and you're giving me a lecture?

If you think I'm not concerned about what's going on, you're sadly mistaken!

By the way, currently I am represented by the TWU. They are the ones who began the final fight AGAINST our careers!

Let's go back in time for a minute.


WHERE WERE ALL THE UNIONS AND AFL-CIO IN 1981 WHEN REAGAN FIRED THE CONTROLLERS?
YEA, YEA, THE STRIKE WAS ILLEGAL, I KNOW!

WHERE WERE ALL THE UNIONS AS WELL AS THE AFL-CIO WHEN FRANK LORENZO SCREWED CONTINENTAL EMPLOYEES IN 1983?

WHERE WERE ALL THE UNIONS AS WELL AS THE AFL-CIO WHEN LORENZO GAVE A REPEAT PERFORMANCE AT EASTERN FORCING A STRIKE?

WHERE HAS THE AFL-CIO BEEN SINCE THE ATTACK ON AIRLINE WORKERS BEGAN ON 9-11?

You're giving me a lecture because I brought a little levity into this forum?

I started in this business when an aircraft mechanic was still considered to be at the top of the blue collar work force!

I am totally aware of what the UAL guys are up against. What is happening at UAL will have a domino effect on the remaining unionized legacy carriers. The pension and contract changes will spill over into every other facet of corporate America.

There are worse crimes committed in this forum then a little humor. We as airline workers are under great stress because we are afraid of what the future holds for us. Thanks to UAL, I think we KNOW what the future holds for us.

Although I work for AA and have a union who doesn't know the definition of negotiating and forcing the companies hand with a strike threat, I, as others are hoping that AMFA does the right thing at UAL. They are our only hope.

Sometimes humor has a way of shedding a different light on the worst of situations.

So please spare me the lecture!

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Hopeful, humor is greatly needed here!

 

[Hopeful]

Thanks, I thought so when I started this post.

 

[1AA]

Funny how things are one sided with the TWU, I found this link TWU web site Miami
Go to the side bar and you should see a link on the AMFA's track record as seen from the eyes of the TWU. They neglected to post a track record of their own from the last 50 years or so.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Is it true Amfa has set the stage at United to have line mechanics have better job protection than the base mechanics?

Hopeful your first post was correct for many. Amfa has little chance due to their dismal track record!

[post="270794"][/post]​

cio, what track record does your twu have?

Let's see...

1) Give jobs performed by AMTs to Ramp.

2) Remove elected officers by the international because those who were elected by the membership to fight for their membership did not bow to the international.

3) The membership does not control the membership.

4) The twu international are appointed and not elected by the full membership.

5) The twu allows outsourcing of work but will blame other unions for doing the same.

6) The twu fights against the membership. Not for the membership.

7) The twu, they have a coffin to be paraded around at a moments notice.

8) The twu, they have people like kirk wells who can shout, "To the doors and stop!" "To the doors and stop!".

9) The best of all, the twu has no one who will post their true identity when they attempt to defend the twu.

 

[DECISION 2007]

3) The membership does not control the membership.

Please explain.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Please explain.

[post="271002"][/post]​

Thanks Decision '07, typed a bit too quick there. I meant to say,

3) The membership does not control the contract.

 

[Hackman]

And how does an AMFA supporter act?...Like you?
So they signed a contract giving them an improved package due to their what? Oh yeah...by standing their ground. Would you have a link to that great agreement of UAL/AMFA for us to see? And please...type us a little something of the do's and don'ts of an amfa supporter.

[post="270826"][/post]​

Well, unlike you blind believers of the twu in MCI that are now realizing the twu used you and are now in the process of dumping you. I've never voted "yes" on a twu contract yet. You let I-cahned-u run over TWA while he kept bleeding you down to nothing. The iam sold you out time after time and you guys took it, never trying to dump them. Now your here running your pie hole about UAL. Surely you jest.

You'll never see me making light of thousands of union men and women honorably fighting corrupt and greedy management for what could be the end of the game for them.

The UAL/AMFA t/a still does not match what the twu stuck to us out of bankruptcy in 2003 here at AA. You can read the whole AMFA/UAL t/a on the sadly delusional twu Local 530 website. Remember come about June Mr. D7, the twu saved 3 maintenance bases and 12000 jobs. Keep repeating that as your walking out the door. :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: