American plans hourly flights on New York-LA route

[WorldTraveler]

actually, NHBB,

even with AA's additional flights which are now available for sale, AA is now the #2 carrier in the JFK-LAX market based on seats scheduled for next summer. DL is #1 by a small margin. AA's total seats are down by about 14% while DL's is flat - based on current schedules.

UA is #3 but about 60% of the size of DL followed by VX and B6.

DL is the number 2 carrier in JFK-LAX today based on revenue and market share behind AA.

DL is #1 in JFK-SFO next summer in terms of seats even after AA's additional flight is added and DL is currently the #2 carrier in terms of local passengers and revenue in JFK-SFO today behind UA.

"Ownership" is probably not an accurate term for these markets.

 

[AANOTOK]

Inhale...exhale...whew!!

 

[mstrmoe]

Does anyone know exactly when the first A321T is going to be delivered? Has it even finished final assembly yet in Hamburg?

 

[IORFA]

Supposed to be late this month or November. Who knows with the shutdown, nothing's getting delivered.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Does anyone know exactly when the first A321T is going to be delivered? Has it even finished final assembly yet in Hamburg?

I can't tell you exactly, but they tell us FAs November. The pilots will play with them for a while and they'll start service between JFK and LAX on Jan 7 with two round trips daily. The last -200ER in the market will operate on May 7, flt 30 LAX-JFK. They'll be up to 13 daily in each direction by July.

SFO will see its last -200ER flight on Mar 31. From Apr 1 there will be 3 daily A321Ts between JFK and SFO plus one 767-300, which will end on June 10th with the final 5th 321T flight in service.

MK

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Just checked "Aibus World". It shows 2 321 deliveries the last 2 weeks in November.

 

[mstrmoe]

I can't tell you exactly, but they tell us FAs November. The pilots will play with them for a while and they'll start service between JFK and LAX on Jan 7 with two round trips daily. The last -200ER in the market will operate on May 7, flt 30 LAX-JFK. They'll be up to 13 daily in each direction by July.

SFO will see its last -200ER flight on Mar 31. From Apr 1 there will be 3 daily A321Ts between JFK and SFO plus one 767-300, which will end on June 10th with the final 5th 321T flight in service.

MK

May 7 is going to be a very, very bittersweet day.

Just checked "Aibus World". It shows 2 321 deliveries the last 2 weeks in November.

Looks like it should be showing up soon in Hamburg, then. I've just been following the MSNs on planespotters.net, and Airbus has been steadily working down the line of A321's, looks like AA is next.

 

[Bob Owens]

UGH, no First and all those middle seats, 6-8 hours in a middle seat, oh the horror that flying is becoming. One thing I liked about the 767 was a lot of aisle seats. Nothing seems to be getting better. A TV monitor in the seat back that's two inches from your face doesn't come close to making up for losing all those aisle seats. So now the odds go up that you are not only jammed in front to back but side to side as well.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

UGH, no First and all those middle seats, 6-8 hours in a middle seat, oh the horror that flying is becoming. One thing I liked about the 767 was a lot of aisle seats. Nothing seems to be getting better. A TV monitor in the seat back that's two inches from your face doesn't come close to making up for losing all those aisle seats. So now the odds go up that you are not only jammed in front to back but side to side as well.

Actually Bob the 321T layout does not look bad imo. 10/20/72 with first and business being lay flat. I`m curious to take a look when we start doing the acceptance checks on them.

 

[Bob Owens]

Actually Bob the 321T layout does not look bad imo. 10/20/72 with first and business being lay flat. I`m curious to take a look when we start doing the acceptance checks on them.

I stand corrected. Still liked the 767 better, even with the 12v power ports there weren't that many middle seats, mostly Aisle or window seats, of the seven across you had 4 aisle, two window and just one middle. It greatly increased the odds of not getting stuck in a middle seat. With the six seat layout of the bus its two aisle, two window and two middle. So the odds are pretty high when flying non rev you get stuck in a middle seat because 30% of the seats in coach are middle seats.

 

[FWAAA]

I've always preferred the 2-5-2 AA economy arrangement on the DC-10s and the 777s for the same reason. Nearly every economy seat is a double (two sets of window/aisle pairs plus doubles on either side of the middle seat in the center section). And doubles are vastly preferable to triples. Unfortunately, the new 77Ws have 10-across in the back, arranged 3-4-3 and even the MCE section, which uses wider seats, is arranged 3-3-3. With 2-5-2, those middle seats are just 11% of the total.

I'm going to miss the 762s. In First, where the seats are 1-1 and every seat is a window and an aisle, the A321s will be nice. In biz, I'll miss the 767 center section where nobody has to crawl over anybody to get to an aisle. In econ, the window-aisle doubles of the 767 will be sorely missed.

 

[Jacobin777]

I can't tell you exactly, but they tell us FAs November. The pilots will play with them for a while and they'll start service between JFK and LAX on Jan 7 with two round trips daily. The last -200ER in the market will operate on May 7, flt 30 LAX-JFK. They'll be up to 13 daily in each direction by July.

SFO will see its last -200ER flight on Mar 31. From Apr 1 there will be 3 daily A321Ts between JFK and SFO plus one 767-300, which will end on June 10th with the final 5th 321T flight in service.

MK

Have we got a definitive answer as to how many SFO-JFK flights there will be by lets say fall of next year?

 

[AC AA LA FA]

Have we got a definitive answer as to how many SFO-JFK flights there will be by lets say fall of next year?

From what I understand 5-possibly a 6th seasonal.

 

[Jacobin777]

From what I understand 5-possibly a 6th seasonal.

Thanks very much.

5X daily is still low in terms of total amount of seats offered (didn't do the breakdown of J/Y/etc.). Looking at AA' schedule for today, there are 2x762 and 2x763 for a total of 772 seats. 5xA321T=510 seats which is still a 34% decrease. Adding a 6th flight would decrease seats by about 21%. Of course, this doesn't include yields, etc.

 

[mstrmoe]

Thanks very much.

2x762 and 2x763 for a total of 772 seats.

What a coincidence, I love it. In all seriousness, I'd love to see some more scheduled flights to make up for lost 767 capacity.