American plans hourly flights on New York-LA route

[eolesen]

Yep E, in your over-exuberant effort to prove someone wrong, you made a mistake. tsk tsk!

1) unlike others, I'm willing to admit math errors, which is why I show my math in the first place -- some people like to throw out percentages that others can't question.

2) Showing stats and projections isn't an effort to prove WT or anyone else wrong -- it's an effort to inject some facts into discussions, which otherwise wind up being a pissing contest over opinions with nothing to back them up.

3) I was still right in the basic premises, which are: AA isn't adding capacity into the transcon, adding frequency will drive pilot heads, and won't drive incremental FA heads.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Yep, that's an error on my formula, thanks for pointing it out.

The end result is still the same, though: fewer FA's with 15 flights a day than there are with the current 9. Staffing 5 on the A321 would require 75 FA's; 81 are required on the current 9x with the 762.

 

[eolesen]

Saw your note on the other thread --- surprised to see the staffing set at 6.

That would increase FA seats to 102, assuming frequencies jump up to the high case of 15 per day.

At 12 per day, it's 72 seats, down a bit from 81.

 

[FWAAA]

This weekend's schedule load now shows 13 daily JFK-LAX A321Ts (abbreviated by AA as 32Bs) by June 14 in an almost hourly shuttle schedule:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/09/22/aa-76232b-s14/

Here is the schedule after the 13th daily begins:

AA171 JFK0600 - 0855LAX 32B x6
AA009 JFK0700 - 1005LAX 32B D
AA033 JFK0800 - 1055LAX 32B D
AA001 JFK0900 - 1155LAX 32B D
AA255 JFK1000 - 1300LAX 32B D
AA019 JFK1100 - 1350LAX 32B x6
AA003 JFK1230 - 1520LAX 32B D
AA117 JFK1455 - 1815LAX 32B D
AA133 JFK1630 - 1945LAX 32B D
AA181 JFK1730 - 2035LAX 32B D
AA021 JFK1830 - 2145LAX 32B D
AA293 JFK1930 - 2245LAX 32B D
AA185 JFK2050 - 0010+1LAX 32B D

AA292 LAX0600 - 1420JFK 32B D
AA118 LAX0700 - 1535JFK 32B D
AA034 LAX0800 - 1635JFK 32B D
AA002 LAX0900 - 1740JFK 32B D
AA172 LAX1000 - 1840JFK 32B x6
AA012 LAX1100 - 1950JFK 32B D
AA004 LAX1200 - 2045JFK 32B D
AA256 LAX1300 - 2145JFK 32B D
AA032 LAX1400 - 2240JFK 32B D
AA022 LAX1500 - 2330JFK 32B x6
AA180 LAX1630 - 0055+1JFK 32B D
AA010 LAX2140 - 0605+1JFK 32B D
AA030 LAX2330 - 0800+1JFK 32B D

I'm surprised that AA didn't add a third daily eastbound redeye. MIA has three LAX-MIA redeyes, and I was expecting the same to JFK, one at about 2130, another at about 2230 and the third at about 2330. Three redeyes would preserve the J capacity currently offered by the two flights and would increase F by 10 seats. Economy capacity would still be decreased by 40 seats even with three flights.

SFO gets five daily flights for now, up from four 762s/763s. More F, a lot less J, and a huge decrease in Y.

 

[IORFA]

Yep and all current JFK-lax/Sfo trips will be a321's by June 8, 2014. I still think there will be a couple extra sections for both lax-sfo before summer is out next year.

 

[IORFA]

I personally think they should have one less row in F and one more in C. To make it something like 8/24/+36/36. I'm sure it has something to do with the 2L door location, but it is a large increase in F and somewhat significant decrease in C. Maybe it changes in the future. Seems like every other seating arrangement around here changes frequently. Seems like research into the designs is an after thought around AA. With the S80 getting more seats now and the announcement in the recent past of the 737 getting more seats AA is cementing itself as crazy town! They barely finished removing the seats, and they are now adding some back!

 

[jimntx]

With the S80 getting more seats now and the announcement in the recent past of the 737 getting more seats AA is cementing itself as crazy town! They barely finished removing the seats, and they are now adding some back!

As I understand it, on the S80 they are putting back one row that they took out (5 seats). However, they are going to preserve MCE in all but one current MCE row. Word to the wise, do NOT deadhead in row 32. I'm thinking there will not be room for anyone who has limbs below the waist.

 

[737823]

S80s? Haven't flown on one in quite some time. See many at DFW, not so much at ORD, and of course never at MIA.

Josh

 

[FWAAA]

I personally think they should have one less row in F and one more in C. To make it something like 8/24/+36/36. I'm sure it has something to do with the 2L door location, but it is a large increase in F and somewhat significant decrease in C. Maybe it changes in the future. Seems like every other seating arrangement around here changes frequently. Seems like research into the designs is an after thought around AA. With the S80 getting more seats now and the announcement in the recent past of the 737 getting more seats AA is cementing itself as crazy town! They barely finished removing the seats, and they are now adding some back!

It's more AA first class inventory, but since UA is abandoning 3-class ps service, there will be fewer F seats total, as the ps planes had 12F/26J/72Y. I don't know how many daily flights UA had between JFK and LAX when they were still 3-class, but the disappearance of 12 F seats per flight means that AA will be the only provider of 3-class F, and thus there might be a need for 14-15 daily flights, each with 10F.

 

[WorldTraveler]

With the addition of a premium cabin by B6, there will be a glut of premium cabin seats on the JFK transcons which certainly will help customers who are looking to improve their odds of sitting up there at the lowest possible cost.

 

[jimntx]

S80s? Haven't flown on one in quite some time. See many at DFW, not so much at ORD, and of course never at MIA.

Josh

You have an incisive grasp of the obvious.

 

[737823]

You have an incisive grasp of the obvious.

They won't be around much longer anyway and as it is the 40 seat MCE cabin is a bit large especially considering they predominately fly shorter routes.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The MD80s will be around for at least several years.

 

[kirkpatrick]

S80s? Haven't flown on one in quite some time. See many at DFW, not so much at ORD, and of course never at MIA.

They aren't dead yet. Still 175 active, 622 aircraft active in fleet.

I noted when traveling between LGA and DFW this month for recurrent and Airbus training that the schedule is entirely 737s. That's very welcome.

MK

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Sure there were gates like that. Problem is if the crew overshoots the line they cant see you have to reposition the plane with a tractor. That can take up to 1/2 a hour. What happens is as soon as he stops everyone moves in and starts doing their thing, loaders, catering etc then you have to locate a tractor and bar, get everyone clear, get all the passengers reseated and move the plane a foot or two back.

Possible, not practical.

I'm thinking that you could deliberately stop a bit SHORT of the exact spot, and compensate with the traditional jetway, used for F/C. Problem solved.

OVERKILL...WT ?

Sour Grapes I think.
AA and ONLY AA have had/still have, and most likely ALWAYS have a Hammer-Lock on Kennedy/LA.
Same was true on JFK/LHR(before turning some over to BA).

NOT BAD for a "troubled carrier", owning the # 1 + 2 most valuable routes in the World, with SOUTH AMERICA thrown in as the "CHERRY-on-TOP" !