American Airlines to recruit and hire 1,500 pilots over five years

[eolesen]

Wrong. The new standards for pilot hiring are already creating a shortage, and higher wages won't fix the problem.

Higher wages won't create a candidate pool with associate degrees and 1250 flight hours, or pilots with 1500 hours and no degree. Nor will higher wages create a bunch of ex-military guys with 750 hours.

Getting 1500 hours takes about 18-24 months, and that assumes you can afford 2 hours a day, 7 days a week.... Flight time ain't cheap.

You also need to have enough instructor pilots to feed the pipeline, so wages alone will not create an immediate reaction.

You want to talk about real dangers to small community air service being abandoned?... This is it, and it's government created. GLUX is already having issues.

As it starts to spread, you won't see airlines like Mesa and Republic going after EAS flying when they're having problems covering their CPA's...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Your points are all valid but doesn't address the issue which I raised which is that a consolidated industry has the ability to reduce capacity to the point that airlines can work within the available supply of labor.

When even WN, long perceived as a cost maverick, reduces capacity after its merger, it says that the DOJ's concerns about reduced capacity are real. It also says that carriers that pay the highest will be those that can continue to attract sufficient numbers of workers to operate without the fear of labor shortages.

 

[eolesen]

So now WN is going to reduce capacity?...

Three days ago, you were arguing that they were going to dump so much capacity into DAL and DCA that AA wouldn't know what to do...


When Skywest and Republic get hit, look for DL, UA, and AA (in direct proportion to the amount of flying they've outsourced to the regionals) to also take a hit.

 

[WorldTraveler]

WN's system capacity can absolutely shrink even if they add capacity to certain markets including DCA and LGA.


And yes the regional operators will be hit the hardest... which also probably explains in part why DL is leading the charge to reduce the size of its regional carrier operations. AA is making strides as well but it is too earlier to know the size of AA's regional operations post merger.

UA is undoubtedly most susceptible to large numbers of regional carrier operations and their investor presentation doesn't really indicate that they are significantly reducing the size although they are taking steps to replace some small RJs with larger RJs... although apparently far fewer than AA or DL have done or will do.

 

[MetalMover]

Is it just me or does WT interject DL into just about every conversation on Airline Forums?
Is he the patron saint of DL?

 

[FWAAA]

Is it just me or does WT interject DL into just about every conversation on Airline Forums?
Is he the patron saint of DL?

You are correct, Sir.    

 

[WorldTraveler]

what does being a patron saint have to do with participating in the discussions?


More significantly, how does all of this pilot hiring square up with the merger and how does the integration process work for these new hires and furlough recalls?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Is it just me or does WT interject DL into just about every conversation on Airline Forums?
Is he the patron saint of DL?

 
Didn't you get the word?
 
It's ALL about WT, and WT is ALL about DL.  That's just how God created the universe.  Put up, or shut up.
 
(Just ask him, or Him.)

 

[MetalMover]

what does being a patron saint have to do with participating in the discussions?


More significantly, how does all of this pilot hiring square up with the merger and how does the integration process work for these new hires and furlough recalls?

No matter what the topic...you somehow put the God's chosen and beloved DL into the equation.....This is an AA board.....How about discussing the issues here and leave DL out of it? I would be the last person to request you or any one with whom I disagree with to leave this forum.  Delta is not the end all in the airline business.....
I doubt very much the other airlines base their business models on DL......What works for them doesn't necessarily work elsewhere.
 
If the other airlines were as wonderful and perfect as DL....what would you do with your days?
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

[MetalMover]

And yes the regional operators will be hit the hardest... which also probably explains in part why DL is leading the charge to reduce the size of its regional carrier operations. AA is making strides as well but it is too earlier to know the size of AA's regional operations post merger.

 

 

WN's system capacity can absolutely shrink even if they add capacity to certain markets including DCA and LGA.


And yes the regional operators will be hit the hardest... which also probably explains in part why DL is leading the charge to reduce the size of its regional carrier operations. AA is making strides as well but it is too earlier to know the size of AA's regional operations post merger.

UA is undoubtedly most susceptible to large numbers of regional carrier operations and their investor presentation doesn't really indicate that they are significantly reducing the size although they are taking steps to replace some small RJs with larger RJs... although apparently far fewer than AA or DL have done or will do.

 
 
WT.....DL brought into the equation....
 
You seem to feel the need to shove Delta's wonderful and perfect world into every topic..
That is what patron saints do....they look out for those they are chosen to protect.

 

[WorldTraveler]

So now WN is going to reduce capacity?...

Three days ago, you were arguing that they were going to dump so much capacity into DAL and DCA that AA wouldn't know what to do...


When Skywest and Republic get hit, look for DL, UA, and AA (in direct proportion to the amount of flying they've outsourced to the regionals) to also take a hit.

let me know if there is a mention of DL before this in the thread, ok?

 

[MetalMover]

You want to start copying quotes? Especially the ones where you mention Delta?
 
Game on!

 

[WorldTraveler]

if you would like to, see.

You might actually find out that a whole lot of instances where you say that I insert DL into the discussion is because someone else has already done so.

E made a perfectly appropriate comment that a big part of the labor problem is related to regional carrier networks. My response was to his comment which showed that AA and DL have been more aggressive in taking steps to restructure their regional networks but UA recognizes the necessity of trying to do what they can despite the much bigger hill they have to climb.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Isn't "I club baby seals" one of his other login names on the site?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Why don't you ask the mods if it is a valid log in?

we're waiting for an explanation from you regarding your decision to leave DL to go work for NW.

It might give some insight regarding the pilots today who are making the decision to leave one carrier for another, such as many AA pilot candidates are facing in deciding whether to leave their current jobs. There are plenty of pilots who are applying to fly for AA who are now flying for other carriers including B6.

Was it worth the risk to give up a career at a labor stable carrier to work at one where you ended up losing your job because of a union miscalculation?

Pilots at B6 who are thinking about returning to AA have to ask the same question.

We are glad you are here as a test species.