American Airlines layoffs in Tulsa off the table
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Come on guys. Do you really believe that? I suspect once they get this implemented the rifs will still happen. Tulsa is on life support at this point. Welcome to the world of 7 day coverage boys! Come on in. The water is fine!
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From Twu link you posted..... We have developed adjustments and solutions that will allow us to avoid involuntary furloughs.
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Yea, like SIS...Stand In Stead?AA Tulsa Mechanic said:
What if they don't get enough stand in steads?
You think they're going to let attrition play out?
I have to wonder how many more layoffs does the company have to announce before Tulsa catches on that the company does this just to get a bunch of guys they just screwed over to bend over backwards for them. The last thing that the company wants to do is dump young workers that they have trained and now have experience on the market. Tulsa will shrink, and sometimes the rate at which it shrinks will exceed attrition which I figure will steadily climb every year starting at around 5%. But that likely wont be a factor until more 80s go away. So figure SIS or not they will likely lose around 200 guys this year, if they need to shed 200 more they will be a little more generous with the incentives, or they can cut the OT but RIFs is the last thing AA wants.
The big "oh we have 400 guys ready to bump the line had zero effect on the line. The company really does not want to dump 400 OH guys, qualified or not, on the line, because for sure the guys they bump, they guys who already sat though all the Gen Fam classes and just came up to speed, will never come back, Jet Blue, UAL even SWA will pick them up, and they all pay much better than AA, none of them only offer one week of Vacation, Jet Blue starts them off with four weeks.
The fact is no matter what hoops you guys jump through the results will be the same. When they can afford to shed workers they will target the senior guys because thats where they save the most money, plus those guys wont likely turn up at competitors. AA has us locked into bottom of the industry wages, benefits and working conditions, the harder it is for their competitors to pick up mechanics the better it is for them, dumping young workers is counter productive, it raises AA's unit costs for labor plus it makes new hires available for competitors and allows them to lower their unit cost for labor.
So yes Tulsa will shrink but more than likely nobody will see a RIF, if they do it will more than likely be driven by a shortage on the line. An attempt by the company to force more Junior workers to fill vacancies they cant fill on the line, with competitors paying much better, offering double the Vacation, sick and Holiday pay than AA is offering AA basically has two very finite pools to draw mechanics, Ramp upgrades, and Eagle. They slashed the ramp, so future supply from there will dry up soon . That pretty much leaves OH.
The big "oh we have 400 guys ready to bump the line had zero effect on the line. The company really does not want to dump 400 OH guys, qualified or not, on the line, because for sure the guys they bump, they guys who already sat though all the Gen Fam classes and just came up to speed, will never come back, Jet Blue, UAL even SWA will pick them up, and they all pay much better than AA, none of them only offer one week of Vacation, Jet Blue starts them off with four weeks.
The fact is no matter what hoops you guys jump through the results will be the same. When they can afford to shed workers they will target the senior guys because thats where they save the most money, plus those guys wont likely turn up at competitors. AA has us locked into bottom of the industry wages, benefits and working conditions, the harder it is for their competitors to pick up mechanics the better it is for them, dumping young workers is counter productive, it raises AA's unit costs for labor plus it makes new hires available for competitors and allows them to lower their unit cost for labor.
So yes Tulsa will shrink but more than likely nobody will see a RIF, if they do it will more than likely be driven by a shortage on the line. An attempt by the company to force more Junior workers to fill vacancies they cant fill on the line, with competitors paying much better, offering double the Vacation, sick and Holiday pay than AA is offering AA basically has two very finite pools to draw mechanics, Ramp upgrades, and Eagle. They slashed the ramp, so future supply from there will dry up soon . That pretty much leaves OH.
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We feel the same way here in Tulsa. Why would you have 15 guys doing a job in 7 days when you could get it done in 5 days with 10? The layoffs will come and the seven day coverage will still be here with no overtime.iluvaa said:
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Bob once again brings exactly what is happening to light. RIF's right now is exactly what this company dosen't want. Investors must not be scared away and a target stock price must be protected. The TWU will come out and beat their chests and tell you how they protected more jobs. I ask the question once more, that has been asked on this forum several times. Is the TWU working towards bringing AA mechs up to US mechs (Vacation, sick time holidays) or US down to AA. The silence and and the choking are laughable. We are the bottom of the barrel, and there is no reason for the company of this so called union of ours to change. The union is gettng their dues money and lining their pockets with with our settlement money. The company negotiates in secret, taking care of the few that sit accross the table from them and has that same group scare the hell out of the largest voting group. Sign a card, lets get open negotiations, lets get recall power on groups that twist and manipute RIFS and the rules to ensure fairness and propper pay for where you live never happen.
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I have to disagree with one point of your post. I believe investors only care about a company reducing headcount only because they see it as a means to reduce labor costs NOT because it"doesn't look good". As a matter of fact i think the likes of Wall St. chomp at the bit to increase investment when people are let go in favor of outsourcing.Show me the money said:
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From today's Tulsa world......but even if no one takes the voluntary separation American Airlines won't have layoffs this year. American Airlines will move more work back to Tulsa as its new fleet of aircraft require more maintenance in the later years. ..............WE have already started modding the hangers to accept the Airbus aircraft
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Who is "WE"? You sound like management or as if you own the place.AA Tulsa Mechanic said:
Bob, is correct. Until the Union Representation takes the position that management hires, fires, and sets headcount NOT THE UNION, then your representation will continue to suffer some form of concessions to "save jobs" that will still be eliminated via attrition. Wake up and try to remember the past, and you cease making or allowing the same mistake over and over. Why the hell does TWU leadership buy into the farce, that they manage the Tulsa Base from Pine Street?
