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It seems to me that the PIT/PHL reps on the MEC have painted themselves into such a corner that they can't send the TA to a vote.

How can they refuse last month's TA pre-Ch11 on the grounds that they could get a better deal regardless of Ch11 and 1113, yet now send a deal that is universally worse to the membership?

Charlie Bryan all over again.

Sending this TA out for a vote is an admission by the PIT/PHL MEC members that they made a huge mistake last month that cost every pilot at US Airways a better deal. Even though that is clearly what happend, I can't see them reversing course and allowing a vote on the TA.

Thoughts?
 
Blame me! I've been calling and telling John Brookman the TA is dog crap and shouldn't be sent out. You wanna blame them! No, blame me and the thousands of "ME's" that believe the same thing. It's done.
 
Enirilia:

You're correct, but if they do not send out the TA, they will strengthen the pending plaintiff lawsuit under the Landrum/Griffith act.

There are claims that the Pennsylvania Reps could invite criminal charges due to fraud, which could lead to “jail timeâ€￾. Lance Svendsen, Charlotte First Officer Rep told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review the RC4 "have misled this pilot group using e-mails, phone calls, resolutions and council letters… Their reckless and careless agenda...has already cost this pilot group millions of dollars in lost income and benefits.''

Furthermore, there are now reports that MEC members, advisors and the Ngotiating Committee members have indicated they will testify against the RC4 to obtain immunity due to Landrum/Griffith act violations. The civil suit could hold the RC4 liable liable for millions of dollars in civil penalties. Not only could they face a judgment to pay millions of dollars in civil penalties, they would have to defend them self in court.

Interestingly, the RC4/NC tried to indemnify the self in the process and included in the TA, the Company agreed “to indemnify the Association for fifty percent (50%) of its reasonable expenses and reasonable attorneys' fees which the Association sustains arising out of or in connection with the foregoing changes in this Letter of Agreement #93.â€￾

However, the RC4 will be responsible to pay at least their own legal fees for the pending lawsuits, which will occur for fraud, Duke Spellancy - DFR, and even more important violations of the Landrum/Griffith act.

The increase of the pay cut from 16.5% to 18% was included to pay for increased expenses such as indemnification, so rank-and-file members bare the brunt of failed leadership.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Just one more point…

Will the RC4 admit they were wrong and send the deal out for vote (a big hit to their ego’s) or do they risk potential jail time, millions of dollars I civil penalties, hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, and personal bankruptcy?

Attorney’s have been interviewed and class action lawsuit participation plaintiff lists are being compiled, which has been clearly communicated by the RC4. As Svendsen and you indicated, “Their (RD4) reckless and careless agenda...has already cost this pilot group millions of dollars in lost income and benefits.â€￾

The RC4 have been briefed on the risk by legal counsel and they are definately in a bind and are they're "toast". I would not want to be them.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
 
Jeez, just send the TA out already and let the pilots decide. While everyone fights about which match to light the fire with, the creditors are coming with a torch.
 
USFLyer:

USFlyer said: "Jeez, just send the TA out already and let the pilots decide. While everyone fights about which match to light the fire with, the creditors are coming with a torch."

USA320Pilot comments: I agree. If not, it will only get worse.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Worse?

Your kidding right? The fact you would even CONSIDER working under this TA is amazing. But then, I'm not surprised.

I love the law suit stuff. Keep in coming. I actually think the 4 brave men face the death penalty too don't they? Man, you are really striking fear into their hearts. And the legal fees. My God the legal fees. Oh No Mr. Bill. Legal fees.

Geeeez.

Line up your ducks Sparky. This airline isn't going to make it. Bronner has a plan and you have no clue what it is. But you only have to read between the lines of the TA to figure it out. And there is little likelihood anyone is going to get a chance to vote on that.

Yeah, vote on something that allows airplanes to be sold without the pilots going with them. Yeah, that will certainly see the ballot.

mr
 
USA320-
What is the docket number for the cases involving the RC4?
 
It appears USA320 only thinks the 737's will be disposed of and since he flys an airbus again his job is saved and the hell with everyone else. Am I on target ? Savy
 
USA320Pilot said:
Just one more point…

Will the RC4 admit they were wrong and send the deal out for vote (a big hit to their ego’s) or do they risk potential jail time, millions of dollars I civil penalties, hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, and personal bankruptcy?

Attorney’s have been interviewed and class action lawsuit participation plaintiff lists are being compiled, which has been clearly communicated by the RC4. As Svendsen and you indicated, “Their (RD4) reckless and careless agenda...has already cost this pilot group millions of dollars in lost income and benefits.â€￾

The RC4 have been briefed on the risk by legal counsel and they are definately in a bind and are they're "toast". I would not want to be them.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
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Why did the recall fail?

Seems to me they're representing their constituents just fine. If they were'nt, well then there's grounds for a law suit. They're not representing YOU 320, they're representing the PIT/PHL pilots. When will that sink in?

Keep talking like that 320, you may end up with libel/slander/threat suit of your own.
 
USA320Pilot said:
Will the RC4 admit they were wrong and send the deal out for vote (a big hit to their ego’s) or do they risk potential jail time, millions of dollars I civil penalties, hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, and personal bankruptcy?

... As Svendsen and you indicated, “Their (RD4) reckless and careless agenda...has already cost this pilot group millions of dollars in lost income and benefits.â€￾


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Your grasping at straws, and Svendson is looking at a defimation of character suit. Wonder how much it will cost him?

There is no jail time under U.S.C. TITLE 29; Chapter 11; Subchapter II § 411. ( Bill of rights; constitution and bylaws of labor organizations) PP a(4) . What you say is absurd. It simply gives the union member the right to sue the union, for violating a members rights under the act AFTER a 4 month period of unsuccessful negotiated cure.

You sir seem to take pleasure at installing fear.

DENVER, CO
 
enilria said:
It seems to me that the PIT/PHL reps on the MEC have painted themselves into such a corner that they can't send the TA to a vote.

How can they refuse last month's TA pre-Ch11 on the grounds that they could get a better deal regardless of Ch11 and 1113, yet now send a deal that is universally worse to the membership?

Charlie Bryan all over again.

Sending this TA out for a vote is an admission by the PIT/PHL MEC members that they made a huge mistake last month that cost every pilot at US Airways a better deal. Even though that is clearly what happend, I can't see them reversing course and allowing a vote on the TA.

Thoughts?
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The RC4 did not send the t/a out because IT WAS NOT A T/A!

The negotiating committee did not deem that the pre-filing proposal should or was a T/A. You guys have knuckle- headed ALPA MEC member that was pooping his pants because of how in debt he is and decided to make a motion.

Its the company that is playing "hard ball". Sucker like you fall for it every time. Its a wonder you kept a job this long hiding behind those who fought hard to get you this far.

If the present ALPA proposal goes out for ratification...kiss all our jobs good-bye on mainline.
 
For those who doubt what will likely to occur to the RC4 in regard to criminal fraud charges and multimillion dollar penalties/legal defense fees due to the Landrum/Griffith act, I strongly encourage you to talk to ALPA legal and every ALPA attorney.

Call Mike Abram and ask him.

This is serious stuff and the RC4 will pay for costing employees millions of dollars.

I guarantee you that if the TA is not sent out for ratificaiton, the RC4 will have a lawsuit filed against them, which is why the RC4 fought for the TA to provide a pay and additonal 1.5% pay cut to permit the company to indemnify ALPA up to half of the legal fees, with a limit.

The RC4 know what is coming, which is why the MEC voted 12-0 to unleash the Negotiating Committee and the NC negotiated a TA.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
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