Alaska Air

[AAviator]

DCAFlyer:

P.S. US Airways and America West have regularly briefed the ATSB as their discussions unfolded and I understand the DOJ and DOT have given their "wink of approval" through the ATSB for the merger to proceed.

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Shocking

Otherwise their billion dollars is gone.

 

[justaumechanic]

The classic line is "Wink of approval"... Yes that is how large corporate transactions occur.. The old WINK..

Funny US nor HP have filed a merger review with the DOT and DOJ yet and the ATSB is part of the Treasury Department, not Justice or Transportation.

Looks like someone is making things up once again.

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[markkus757]

This would be messy both route wise and aircraft wise:

AS: MD80's, 734's 737NG's
HP: IAE Airbuses, 733, 734, RR 757's
US: CFM Airbuses, 733, 734, RR 757's, GE 762's A330's

The ONLY common aircraft in this whole mess would be the 733/734 fleet (which in all likelihood is slated to be phased out as part of the HP/US merger) and the RR 757's (which AS doesn't have any of).

Considering Airbus is putting up money in the deal, I can't see AS keeping the 737NG's in fear of upsetting the apple cart.

Maybe US can un-retire their MD's??? (yeah right!)

I don't see this working at all. AS and AA are the most compatible on paper, but that is a whole other topic.

 

[autofixer]

Just another reason to watch how the seniority issue is settled; you don't want to set any new and creative precidents. Who knows who or what is coming down the pike.

 

[NAPAUS]

This would be messy both route wise and aircraft wise:

AS: MD80's, 734's 737NG's
HP: IAE Airbuses, 733, 734, RR 757's
US: CFM Airbuses, 733, 734, RR 757's, GE 762's A330's

The ONLY common aircraft in this whole mess would be the 733/734 fleet (which in all likelihood is slated to be phased out as part of the HP/US merger) and the RR 757's (which AS doesn't have any of).

Considering Airbus is putting up money in the deal, I can't see AS keeping the 737NG's in fear of upsetting the apple cart.

Maybe US can un-retire their MD's??? (yeah right!)

I don't see this working at all. AS and AA are the most compatible on paper, but that is a whole other topic.

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OH yeah AA and AS, WOW so screw all the AS employees like AA did to Reno and the worst SCREW JOB in aviation history, TWA!! Oh yeah im sure the AS employees are ecstatic over the possiblity of being merged with skynAAzi Airlines!!! Dont wish such a horrible fate on the great employees of Alaska Airlines!
😉 😉 😉 😉

 

[USA320Pilot]

I believe the Business Week report of a source indicating Alaska Airlines, the ninth largest U.S. carrier, could acquire both US Airways and America West does not make economic business sense.

The point of US Airways and America West deal (and why people are willing to provide about $1.65 billion to the new company) is to generate revenue synergy and cost cuts with no cost increase in total labor expense. That would be tough and probably impossible to do with Alaska, which has much different contracts than US Airways and America West.

Alaska operates a Boeing and MD-80 fleet and the combined company fleet plan and the new US Airways would operate primarily Airbus aircraft as it phases out its Boeing fleet. A 3-way merger would create far too many different narrowbody fleet types, which would be a serious cost problem.

The corporate combination would create many major problems for the proposed buisness entity such as US Airways and America West moving towards an all Airbus fleet, the age of US Airways’ and America West’s Boeings, a 3-way merger between 3 companies that are largely regionalized, 3 corporate structures, and then a resultant high-cost structure.

US Airways’ previous 3-airline merger of US Airways, Piedmont, and PSA created the combined company high CASM and has been the airline’s Achilles Heal for almost 20 years. Every US Airways CEO has been fighting this problem since the mergers and I believe it does not make sense to do it again.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[delldude]

Just another reason to watch how the seniority issue is settled; you don't want to set any new and creative precidents. Who knows who or what is coming down the pike.

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any new and creative precidents.

you mean like dumbing down the industry??

 

[TechBoy]

P.S. US Airways and America West have regularly briefed the ATSB as their discussions unfolded and I understand the DOJ and DOT have given their "wink of approval" through the ATSB for the merger to proceed.

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Or perhaps both companies have hired expert antitrust counsel who have done a detailed market analysis that shows no anticompetitive effect of the merger consistent with prior decisions by the antitrust authorities. THAT is how it happens in the real world, not with "winks" or nods.

 

[TechBoy]

(and why people are willing to provide about $1.65 billion to the new company)

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OK, I gotta call you on this one. Can you detail who is putting $1.65B into this company? And don't count the cash that the companies already have or the existing equity in HP. That number you are using is pure fiction.

 

[usfliboi]

OK, I gotta call you on this one. Can you detail who is putting $1.65B into this company? And don't count the cash that the companies already have or the existing equity in HP. That number you are using is pure fiction.

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those details are public and court knowledge. Look up that yourself not too difficult

 

[delldude]

as far as alaska goes...i think someone realized theres more money flying crabs and salmon than people.....
the transformation plan revealed.... :blink:

 

[BoeingBoy]

Alaska operates a Boeing and MD-80 fleet and the combined company fleet plan and the new US Airways would operate primarily Airbus aircraft as it phases out its Boeing fleet.

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"However, Parker said there was no plan in the works to move toward an all-Airbus fleet."

Maybe you missed that....

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

BoeingBoy:

Not in the immediate future because it's too costly, but you saw the projected aircraft orders and the retirement schedules.

Replacing about 200 Boeing jets takes time, but the fact is Boeings are being eliminated and Airbus jets are being added to the combined company.

Once again you're trying to discredit the messenger because your true personality was exposed, especially since you purposely violated ALPA's trust. When would now be a good time to stop this childish effort and get over your anger and bitterness?

Life is too short...

Meanwhile, the June 3 SEC filing indicated Barbell Acquisition Corp. could be the parent company of the new combined airline.

The filing said, "The transactions contemplated by the Investment Agreement are expected to be consummated simultaneously with the closing under the Agreement and Plan of Merger (the "Merger Agreement") entered into on May 19, 2005 between America West Holdings, US Airways Group and Barbell Acquisition Corp., a Delaware corporation and a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways Group."

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

Once again you're trying to discredit the messenger because your true personality was exposed, especially since you purposely violated ALPA's trust. When would now be a good time to stop this childish effort and get over your anger and bitterness?

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Please avoid personal insults and return to discussing the original thread and not a particular poster.

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Meanwhile, the June 3 SEC filing indicated Barbell Acquisition Corp. could be the parent company of the new combined airline.

The filing said, "The transactions contemplated by the Investment Agreement are expected to be consummated simultaneously with the closing under the Agreement and Plan of Merger (the "Merger Agreement") entered into on May 19, 2005 between America West Holdings, US Airways Group and Barbell Acquisition Corp., a Delaware corporation and a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways Group."

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And you didn't know this till now? It was discussed in some detail when the merger documents were filed.....

Jim

 

[Bud8EE]

BoeingBoy:



Once again you're trying to discredit the messenger because your true personality was exposed, especially since you purposely violated ALPA's trust. When would now be a good time to stop this childish effort and get over your anger and bitterness?

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Wow you violated ALPA's trust. An entity consisting of over inflated ego's using it as ladder climbing tool or people with chronic back problems that will sell out others in the foxhole as long as they make they cut. An ALPA who has a growing number of DFR lawsuits. An ALPA that writes hyperbole about protecting the profession, while ingoring the W2 facts of it going backwars. An ALPA that ignores issues like professional negotiaters(a top dollar independant law firm, not an ALPA hack) , a national seniority list or a national contract. An ALPA that has no clue of why things are going backwards or if they do, don't have the collective will to institute the polocies that would counter the effects of deregulation, a competive industry, and greedy shortsighted nature of pilots. i.e, national contract and seniority lists. Wow, good on you Jim.