Airlines Locked On Flight Path To Oblivion

[USA320Pilot]

(ALPA) meetings at the Marriott hotel in Washington descended into shouting matches after the minority group voted against sending out the contract. These internal battles spilled over into internet chat rooms. Bill Pollack, chairman of the negotiating committee, told members in a webcast last week: "The bottom line is that three members, elected by less than 10 per cent of our pilots, were able to keep you from making your decision on your own future."

For pilots, who typically lose most in a bankruptcy, the botched talks are a disaster. In bankruptcy, a judge can impose new contracts. But if US Airways fails completely it will struggle to match even the reduced salaries they were offered.

The need for cost cuts is indisputable.

Don Hollerbach, one member of the US Airways negotiating committee, wrote: "Please excuse my absence but I have chosen to attend my son's varsity game . . . it is even more important to spend time with family as it is readily apparent we are heading for Armageddon."

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Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[EyeInTheSky]

The "Gang of 4" has my approval along with most of the PIT & PHL base. Can you understand the word: M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y? Apparently not.

 

[us0004us]

Don Hollerbach, one member of the US Airways negotiating committee, wrote: "Please excuse my absence but I have chosen to attend my son's varsity game . . . it is even more important to spend time with family as it is readily apparent we are heading for Armageddon."


thats just great...as if bankruptcy,three or four cat 4 hurricanes and lcc competition
are not enough problems....now we have an asteroid heading directly for earth at over 12000kts....should be here by 30june

 

[planejane]

The reality should be that each member of any union gets to voice their own individual opinion - let them vote. If it's NO, then so be it. What would it cost the Pit and Phl reps? If the so called M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y!!!!!!! votes the way they are claiming, I guess they will deserve kudos. But then again, what if, just what if, they are placing personal objectives above all? I say, there is only one way to find out - LET THEM VOTE! What is there to lose? Please explain why it should not go out to a vote? What IS THERE TO BE AFRAID OF? All I see is common sense lacking here.

 

[savyinvestor]

Why is this so hard to understand? They represent the majority of pilots and because they don't have to and by doing so they are not in violation of any rules associated with their office. Is that clear enough? As 320 says if you don't like the ways things are going look for a job elsewhere. At least thats what he says if you disagree with him.Savy

 

[EyeInTheSky]

The reality should be that each member of any union gets to voice their own individual opinion - let them vote. If it's NO, then so be it. What would it cost the Pit and Phl reps? If the so called M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y!!!!!!! votes the way they are claiming, I guess they will deserve kudos. But then again, what if, just what if, they are placing personal objectives above all? I say, there is only one way to find out - LET THEM VOTE! What is there to lose? Please explain why it should not go out to a vote? What IS THERE TO BE AFRAID OF? All I see is common sense lacking here.

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Planejane let me make this "plane clear". ALPA bylaws state that a "tentative agreement" goes for a vote, not a summation of company demands. The company knew for months it needed to negotiate, but they didn't because they totally intended on circumventing the union process of bargaining in good faith with last minute "shotgun" negotiations. No, the pilots didn't do this, the company did. I can assure you USA320Pilot does not reflect the views of the majority of pilots at this company. The last round of negotiations played into the hands of people like USA320Pilot because he's gullible and naive to think that what the company proposed is the absolute best solution. So, in summary, you have a group of pilots negotiating by the rules that being ALPA by-laws; and then you have a group of pilots negotiating on behalf of the company.

 

[planejane]

They represent the majority of pilots

Planejane says:
How do you or I know this is the correct representation?

" because they don't have to"

Planejane responds:

Sound like something a two year old would say

Is that clear enough?

Planejane responds:

I don't work for USAirways.......I take a step back and look in. Total foolishness to allow 4 people to DICTATE your future. Aren't you even curious what the outcome of a vote would show? Your fooling yourselves if your not!

 

[us0004us]

Total foolishness to allow 4 people to DICTATE your future.  Aren't you even curious what the outcome of a vote would show?  Your fooling yourselves if your not!

good point!

unless your into ....minority rules....

 

[savyinvestor]

If they didn't represent the majority of pilots they wouldn't have the controlling vote duh! Savy

 

[EyeInTheSky]

PlaneJane Hint: It would not have passed. Is that enough for you? Of course, if it had been taken to a vote and was turned down as predicted then this conversation would be the same except you'd be blaming all the pilots.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

It's time to stop picking apart the union process. What happened is over; It's done man! Let's concentrate on getting the company to negotiate with the unions in good faith. That way we can hopefully get detailed agreements (not garbarge) we CAN vote on.

 

[vc10]

US ALPA bylaws are not a suicide pact. This ain't the US Constitution we're talking about here.

Planejane let me make this "plane clear". ALPA bylaws state that a "tentative agreement" goes for a vote, not a summation of company demands. The company knew for months it needed to negotiate, but they didn't because they totally intended on circumventing the union process of bargaining in good faith with last minute "shotgun" negotiations. No, the pilots didn't do this, the company did. I can assure you USA320Pilot does not reflect the views of the majority of pilots at this company. The last round of negotiations played into the hands of people like USA320Pilot because he's gullible and naive to think that what the company proposed is the absolute best solution. So, in summary, you have a group of pilots negotiating by the rules that being ALPA by-laws; and then you have a group of pilots negotiating on behalf of the company.

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[planejane]

Eye,

I do agree. What's done is done, but it's not over. You need agreements to exit BK and so I believe this conversation will arise somewhere down the road again if US is breathing. Until then remember - I do not work for US. I don't blame anyone.

Planejane

 

[vc10]

How many US Airways pilots actually voted for the PIT and PHL reps? As a percent of the entire membership?

Pollock said it was less than 10%.

On a matter like this they owe it to the membership to get out of the way and let the membership vote on it. Whatever the result of that vote, it would have been hard to argue with.

There's only one good reason for the RC4 to have blocked a vote, and everyone knows it---they were afraid the membership might cave. They were there to save the membership from themselves. But that's arrogant as all getout.

If they didn't represent the majority of pilots they wouldn't have the controlling vote duh! Savy

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[EyeInTheSky]

The RC4 did their job. Now, it's time to get an agreement WITH ALL THE BASES COVERED. It's time to move on people.