Airline Offers To Trim Bonuses

[lostplanetairman]

Go check again

Time and Labor Management Services

[post="274265"][/post]​

That means they sell you their timeclocks.

Trust me--I am an HR Director for a national company. I know MY business!

 

[ClueByFour]

LOL, Clue, which PB?? PineyBob or PITbull?

[post="274250"][/post]​

PITbull. I don't see her having any issue with flipping somebody at CCY the proverbial bird, much less simply telling the truth as it is.

 

[ClueByFour]

ADP doesn't DO the payroll. Someone at the company has to DO it and send it to ADP. They have to know how to DO it. And they have to know all the various state laws and regulations regarding it. ADP just processes the checks and prints the reports. Someone at the company has to verify that the information is correct. They have to know how to DO that.

[post="274256"][/post]​

Assuming a decent timeclock setup, there are any number of offshore firms who will happily "do" the payroll (including state and local law/tax issues and such). Same thing with benefit stuff--farm it off to the vendor (and I work for a fortune 250 with 50k+ employees with under 3 dozen "HR" people worldwide that does all of the above).

In fact, just about any backoffice function can be sent offshore (usually to India). Payroll, accounting, AR, AP, you name it.

Given the US penchant for outsourcing things that directly support the operational core of the company, I don't see why CCY has any problem with the idea of shipping out the back office stuff.

(*--actually, I do, because I've seen it go way wrong and it's suicidal, but that's another discussion--but that's with ongoing entities. Given that everything between now and the end of the year is simply a "bridge" to HP, it's probably a workable strategy)

Now, that leaves the airline specific disciplines--but can anybody tell me with a straight face that these offices at US (marketing, revenue management, fleet planning, etc) don't deserve to get the boot as soon as possible given their track record? It's not like Oracle buying Peoplesoft or somesuch, where there is actually valuable business acumen left in the acquired entity--most of the airline acumen at CCY is pretty much junk).

Does Seth really need severence? I'm sure I can dig up a FFOCUS member willing to kill his/her hair with a bad dye job who would be willing to do Seth's job for permanent CP status and maybe a year's worth of SA travel.

 

[lostplanetairman]

Assuming a decent timeclock setup, there are any number of offshore firms who will happily "do" the payroll (including state and local law/tax issues and such). Same thing with benefit stuff--farm it off to the vendor (and I work for a fortune 250 with 50k+ employees with under 3 dozen "HR" people worldwide that does all of the above).


I have worked on both sides of the situation: as the company and as the outsourced processing company. You still need people at the company to DO work. That was my whole point. You cannot risk getting rid of everyone.

 

[lostplanetairman]

Ahhh yes good old E-Time! We are in the middle of that implementation and just for the record it mostly works, BUT you still need local company employees to handle exceptions and such.

[post="274271"][/post]​

Thank you! Finally!

 

[700UW]

At US exceptions are handled by local management, not payroll or HR, in maintenance when you have a pay problem you don't call CCY you go to your immediate supervisor who fixes the problem.

 

[lostplanetairman]

At US exceptions are handled by local management, not payroll or HR, in maintenance when you have a pay problem you don't call CCY you go to your immediate supervisor who fixes the problem.

[post="274275"][/post]​

But they would not interpret the information and transmit it. Then they would not get it back before the payroll is finalized to review it. It takes someone with payroll expertise to do this, not just anyone. It's important....because it's your paycheck at stake!

 

[Boomer]

But they would not interpret the information and transmit it. Then they would not get it back before the payroll is finalized to review it. It takes someone with payroll expertise to do this, not just anyone. It's important....because it's your paycheck at stake!

[post="274276"][/post]​

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Sounds like an outsourcing candidate.

 

[El Gato]

Not hard to do a managment job when most are inept to begin with. Its only up from there.

[post="274257"][/post]​

So why aren't you doing it then? Perhaps it does not pay enough to your liking?

 

[diogenes]

Because in addition to having the education and skills to DO the job, you've got to have, ahem, 'personal contact' skills to GET the job.

There are some places this nose don't go.

I know that sounds like Basic Prole 101 gripery; at U, it happens to be the case.

I could do a better job than 3 of the last 4 station managers in a location I'm familiar with. With one hand tied behind my back. In 2 of the 4, both hands.

 

[bikingjw]

Ok, Ok help me a minute here.
This company is in its second bankruptcy, it has been losing money for how long? And to say that it will take 55mil or so to keep key employes from leaving? Well I would kinda think that anyone that important with all those finely honed skills, that companys are begging for, that had thoughts of leaving would be long gone by now. I mean this airline and all those important jobs have been on shakey ground for years. Why, if these indispensable employees can just say bye, the grass is greener over at Joes accounting firm havn't left!! Give me a break...
I know that in the grand scheme of things 55mil will not make or break this company. Its the fact that management is even offering it. Its a slap and it hurts. What a moral booster.I mean after asking the rank and file to sacrifice so much this is just NOT good mangement. Not by a long shot.

 

[Art at ISP]

Any news from the hearing about the bonuses today?????

 

[eolesen]

I think he is trying to say that somebody in US has to physically collect the actual hours worked. Then submit that to ADP. I CAN'T believe that US doesn't outsiurce payroll. I don't have direct personal knowledge of ANY company the size of US who doesn't.

[post="274263"][/post]​

I'm fairly certain that AA still insources all the payroll functions. We got rid of paper paychecks over a year ago (employees without direct deposit get a payroll debit card which is issued by a third party), so without check printing and distribution, it's really nothing more than an accounting process these days.

 

[700UW]

US Airways Bankruptcy Court Hears Retention Program Arguments

The U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Alexandria, VA today heard arguments and took testimony on the airline’s motion for approval of a transaction retention program covering 25 officers and 1,873 salaried employees.

Company witnesses testified about high attrition rates and the need to provide an incentive for salaried and management employees to remain in their jobs through the closing of the merger with America West.

The judge will hear closing arguments and is expected to rule on the request on June 1, 2005. The IAM is opposing US Airways’ motion.

 

[PITbull]

So why aren't you doing it then? Perhaps it does not pay enough to your liking?

[post="274311"][/post]​

I already have a position, my good buddy. Perhaps not in the managment arena, but the extreme converse to that.