Aircraft maint issues

[swamt]

Giving days away without repaying is a great idea. It tells the company you don't really need the money money..

That sounds a lot like the way we do it.

Many people like the "give-away" as you call it. But we call it a one way swap.

To answer your question, no, we can't cross shop swap. And it does take some getting used to like you said. I've found it's way easier to work your swap as your next shift, rather than go home, try to sleep, get up and come back in to work a swap. That's why the commuters usually work a double, double, single, then go home.

Metal, It actually means more than that. It means that we want more time off, not everyone is all about money. Some just want time away with family and friends.

Real, That's is the exact same way most all the commuters do it here as well. And a very few sometimes, will pick up an extra shift of overtime on their fist double day and give away that single day for an extra day off to bring it to 5 days off in a row. Of coarse they sleep like babies on their flights home. But the majority are as you stated double, double, single. Or double, single, double to brake up the double shifts (back to back doubles) or they will do single, double, double. Just depends on their schedules and shifts on which way they would want to leave to go home or coming back to work. The trades do not bother the company as they are still getting the man power.
Sorry to hear that you guys cannot trade with other groups of mechanics. That is a great perk for the single shift employees out there...

 

[Buck]

Why not a contractual CS Policy or even if it is non-contractual, that fits both Line and Overhaul?
However Overhaul could have a Letter of Agreement to make it function for the difference in shifts and scheduals?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The company I work for frowns on commuting. In fact, have a swap and miss it because of missing your commuter flight, do that 3 times and they'll fire you. The first time you might lose your swap privileges for a time period, though.

Disgraceful.

 

[1AA]

Im not following you, you say you're tired of being raped and then say you're in no hurry for change.

Again, everytime we get a new contract we give up work rules. I'll wait.

 

[1AA]

AA already threw the money our way. Our LUS brothers already get holidays, sick time, CS policy in the contract.

What work rules do we have to lose, exactly!

What work rules do you see AA taking away from LUS mechs?

Are you saying you will vote NO for anything less then restore and more? Meaning doing 100% of OH, return of retiree medical, reinstating our pension?

This kind of expectation has already cost us over $50k in cash alone not to mention sick time accrual, vacation time along with personal days.

Every time we say how much more can they take, they find ways and take more. If you've been here 30 plus years and have been paying attention to the contract book contract after contract you will agree like many of us old timers.

 

[1AA]

Giving days away without repaying is a great idea. It tells the company you don't really need the money money..

No it just means you probably have another job that pays more or the same but is enjoyable.

 

[1AA]

Why not a contractual CS Policy or even if it is non-contractual, that fits both Line and Overhaul?
However Overhaul could have a Letter of Agreement to make it function for the difference in shifts and scheduals?

We already have it in place. UsAir is contractual, AA is not.

 

[bigjets]

Every time we say how much more can they take, they find ways and take more. If you've been here 30 plus years and have been paying attention to the contract book contract after contract you will agree like many of us old timers.

That's a great generalality, but what rules could we give up and what do you expect LUS mechs to give up?

Are you expecting to get back pension and retiree medical?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Why not a contractual CS Policy or even if it is non-contractual, that fits both Line and Overhaul?
However Overhaul could have a Letter of Agreement to make it function for the difference in shifts and scheduals?

I asked Dale Danker about that and he said the company refused to have a different policy for overhaul. So if you consider that he had a line prez from the TWU who loves the policy and a few IAM guys who live with this policy and nobody was going to fight with him.

 

[topDawg]

Yes, I know the type...And again I will ask the question..."Does working doubles for an entire week seem safe?"

Depends on the person and the situation.
more importantly why are we trying to crap on each other when the MROs in China, Mexico, South America etc are doing stuff that should be a much bigger issue than someone working doubles for an entire week?

Also, I don't see how its safe for line maintenance but for the people in base maintenance its unsafe......?

 

[MetalMover]

Depends on the person and the situation.
more importantly why are we trying to crap on each other when the MROs in China, Mexico, South America etc are doing stuff that should be a much bigger issue than someone working doubles for an entire week?

Also, I don't see how its safe for line maintenance but for the people in base maintenance its unsafe......?

I don't think it is safe for any mechanic, line or base..Wait until you see the walking dead zombies working along side you..Then let us know what you think.

 

[MetalMover]

No it just means you probably have another job that pays more or the same but is enjoyable.

So you have another job...Even better...Maybe this tells the company, why should we give these guys anything great since they are willing to work a second job..

Sorry, working two jobs is no luxury.

 

[swamt]

MM, C'mon man. He wasn't indicating it was a luxury. Pretty sure he was pointing out the fact that most were forced to go get 2nd jobs to maintain their living after the drastic cuts forced upon them by the co. and agreed by the TWU over the past several years. And maybe, as stated, some of them are still working the 2nd job because it is more enjoyable, something they really like and just waiting to get that JCBA.

 

[bigjets]

I don't think it is safe for any mechanic, line or base..Wait until you see the walking dead zombies working along side you..Then let us know what you think.

I agree, you can see how tired guys are after two doubles, me included. One thing we use to hear from the guys that did 5 doubles in a roll, come on man don't give me that job, I'm on my 3rd double. They stop complaining when the CC hammered him even harder.

 

[bigjets]

So you have another job...Even better...Maybe this tells the company, why should we give these guys anything great since they are willing to work a second job..

Sorry, working two jobs is no luxury.

If you can't survive on $47 an hour living in Texas or OK, no amount amount of money is going to satisfy you.