Aircraft maint issues

[Rogallo]

Checkmate.....

 

[1AA]

Samuelson did more damage to our negotiations. I realize we were at a standstill in negotiations, but threatening the company is not the way you accomplish your goal. Now we are waiting on a judge to possibly side with the company. I for one know if the company wins the lawsuit that the association does not have the money to pay a hefty fine. We will have a contract by Christmas 2019!

Many agree with you. Unfortunately the few union people I managed to talk too feel he did nothing wrong at calling out Isom and AA. That's our problem. The members feel it was wrong and the union backs him up.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I realize we were at a standstill in negotiations, but threatening the company is not the way you accomplish your goal.

Correction. Threatening the company is not the way you accomplish your goal....... unless you have the means to back it up.

 

[1AA]

Correction. Threatening the company is not the way you accomplish your goal....... unless you have the means to back it up.

Unfortunately the union was given a hush up order until this is over. That indicates the union has no means to back Samuelson up legally.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Unfortunately the union was given a hush up order until this is over. That indicates the union has no means to back Samuelson up legally.

The government castrated the airline UNIONs long ago.

 

[title 2]

The government castrated the airline UNIONs long ago.

the government started castrating all unions when nixon went after the teamsters and the republicans started pushing right to work laws

 

[Kev3188]

the government started castrating all unions when nixon went after the teamsters and the republicans started pushing right to work laws

...And ultimately we (collectively) either voted for those same politicians and laws, or stood down while others did.

Working-Class America is it's own worst enemy.

 

[swamt]

11 days to go until NMB meets with union and AA separately to see if there is any reason for negotiations to be scheduled.

I wander if Samuelson is done teaching AA a lesson. Here’s the reason we need one union, say if AA and twu title 1 come to an agreement, the IAM can say no. The twu ramp can say no, the iam ramp can say no.

Many agree with you. Unfortunately the few union people I managed to talk too feel he did nothing wrong at calling out Isom and AA. That's our problem. The members feel it was wrong and the union backs him up.

Unfortunately the union was given a hush up order until this is over. That indicates the union has no means to back Samuelson up legally.

Now down to less than a week. This status meeting could be the start of a new agreement to be looked at, as long as the asso. maintain professionalism and respect during these meetings. The NMB was smart to meet with one group then later with the other. I would assume for the no confrontational issues to arise at the table. If the asso. blows up or just loses it again I forsee the NMB walking out.
It's probably a very good thing, for the membership, that there is a gag order put on the asso. This keeps them from getting in any more hot water with the NMB mediators controlling the nego's. This is where the asso. could be Heroes or Zeroes.
Maybe sometime early next week we shall hear from the Judge. With this upcoming status meeting with the NMB and with the Judge's final ruling coming will strike a fire under some individuals to get something out to the membership for a vote soon...

 

[NYer]

Now down to less than a week. This status meeting could be the start of a new agreement to be looked at, as long as the asso. maintain professionalism and respect during these meetings. The NMB was smart to meet with one group then later with the other. I would assume for the no confrontational issues to arise at the table. If the asso. blows up or just loses it again I forsee the NMB walking out.
It's probably a very good thing, for the membership, that there is a gag order put on the asso. This keeps them from getting in any more hot water with the NMB mediators controlling the nego's. This is where the asso. could be Heroes or Zeroes.
Maybe sometime early next week we shall hear from the Judge. With this upcoming status meeting with the NMB and with the Judge's final ruling coming will strike a fire under some individuals to get something out to the membership for a vote soon...

I'm sure the NMB will be looking for some assurances from the Association after they tell them what the lay of the land looks like.

If they get the assurances, they'll set dates. If they don't, the Company will probably pursue a contempt order and/or start signaling some of the proposals will go away. (the money will always be there)

 

[1AA]

Too me a status meeting is both parties must show up and the individuals who show up on both sides are in a position to make decisions on behalf of their respective negotiating committee.
What will come out of it remains to be seen. So stand by for another update from our lovely association. Until then just do your job and stop worrying about things you have no control over.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If these folks were real organized crime goons there'd be a few folks off this board,,,,,,, missing.

And here I was thinking TWU wet work were those extravagant parties the UNION bosses attended.

the government started castrating all unions when nixon went after the teamsters and the republicans started pushing right to work laws

I happen to agree with and support right to work laws.

I don't agree with the "closed shop" protection racket version of UNION membership. Pay up or else in my opinion is not true "membership".

A UNION like any other entity supported by a membership should have to earn it's keep not be a condition of employment.

Last time I checked I put my application in at American Airlines not the TWU.

 

[NYer]

I happen to agree with and support right to work laws.

I don't agree with the "closed shop" protection racket version of UNION membership. Pay up or else in my opinion is not true "membership".

A UNION like any other entity supported by a membership should have to earn it's keep not be a condition of employment.

Last time I checked I put my application in at American Airlines not the TWU.

I'd assume you'd also agree to no have the obligation to represent those that choose not to participate in dues payment. Correct?

Right to Work isn't being used as a vehicle for choice being that the unions are still obligated to represent those that do not want to pay dues. That mechanism is only there to try and bankrupt or at least financially diminish the ability for the organization to be effective.

 

[title 2]

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And here I was thinking TWU wet work were those extravagant parties the UNION bosses attended.


I happen to agree with and support right to work laws.

I don't agree with the "closed shop" protection racket version of UNION membership. Pay up or else in my opinion is not true "membership".

A UNION like any other entity supported by a membership should have to earn it's keep not be a condition of employment.

Last time I checked I put my application in at American Airlines not the TWU.

read the railway labor act it explains all that but at least you left the airline industry

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I'd assume you'd also agree to no have the obligation to represent those that choose not to participate in dues payment. Correct?

Yes NYer, I would say I agree with that assessment. The UNION should absolutely not be obligated to represent those that are not paying members. I am a big believer in "you get what you pay for".

Right to Work isn't being used as a vehicle for choice being that the unions are still obligated to represent those that do not want to pay dues. That mechanism is only there to try and bankrupt or at least financially diminish the ability for the organization to be effective.

If you want to speak to effectiveness sir I would submit that closed shop UNIONs lack the motivation to satisfy their captive customer base. The membership being the customer base.

That being said, I agree with you that the current implementation of the law is unjust as the UNION and more to the point the UNION membership should not be obligated to bear the cost of representation for those that would deny dues to the organization.

However the UNION is a socialist entity and socialism always breeds opportunistic parasites looking to benefit off other people's labor without any meaningful contribution. Just consider it TWU welfare. I guess you have to take the good with the bad.

I am not telling you anything you don't know. I am sure in your career you have encountered lazy, unproductive, and incompetent employees that contribute next to nothing (or actually inhibit production) but make the same amount you do while basically living off your day to day labor.

I said all that to say this, from my perspective it does not matter if I work in a closed shop being forced to fund representation for the lazy, unproductive, and incompetent, or if people are catching a free ride off others paying UNION dues. In the end my fellow employees are still screwing me. It only matters to the UNION's bottom line. A UNION by the way that misappropriates money all the time anyway for political agendas that have nothing to do with labor.

I don't expect you to agree with anything I said, I just thought I would show you another perspective on the matter.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

read the railway labor act it explains all that but at least you left the airline industry

Do employees still have 10 years recall? Maybe I will put in a transfer to a TULE shop just to come and say hi.

Maybe we can sit around the hanger 5 break room and talk what a bang tidy contract you have been working under for the last few years.

I could work there 6 months or so... I am sure I will get cut loose right after the contract only to have 10 more years recall.

Wouldn't that just fantastic?