Aircraft maint issues

[1AA]

A day probably get away with, but the dude that came up with the overtime ban got sued and fired and the union sued, I guarantee with this lawsuit we have filed against us one day would cost the union big time, I don't recommend it!

It's sad when you have to advertise some of these things to fellow union members when it should be common sense. Posting OT bans on union websites and open forums shows a weak membership that needs to be hand fed and physically pointed in the right direction. Then you get the stupid response, I didn't know, why didn't they post anything? I don't advocate anyone not to work or work OT. It's a personal choice.

 

[B737 driver]

It's sad when you have to advertise some of these things to fellow union members when it should be common sense. Posting OT bans on union websites and open forums shows a weak membership that needs to be hand fed and physically pointed in the right direction. Then you get the stupid response, I didn't know, why didn't they post anything? I don't advocate anyone not to work or work OT. It's a personal choice.

Wasn't saying you did no offense, I was just responding to what Swamt comment was, what you guys do is your business, people where we are got some stupid advice and put flyers out about not working O/T, were warned to stop, didn't take it seriously and were fired and sued for self help! I hate to see anyone get fired for stupidity! You guys have your own issues, so again no offense !

 

[AA89]

As a single father, when my daughter was young I never worked OT. The Crew Chief asked my what I would do if I was white slipped. I told him I'd get ill and have to go home. OT is a personal choice and white slipping is a last resort by management because what good is forcing someone to be at work when they made clear they didn't want to be there? If prodding people to skip overtime to stand up for themselves is against the law while the company plans a feast and increased overtime to discourage participation in the picketing then our legal system is more F'ed up than I thought.

 

[B737 driver]

As a single father, when my daughter was young I never worked OT. The Crew Chief asked my what I would do if I was white slipped. I told him I'd get ill and have to go home. OT is a personal choice and white slipping is a last resort by management because what good is forcing someone to be at work when they made clear they didn't want to be there? If prodding people to skip overtime to stand up for themselves is against the law while the company plans a feast and increased overtime to discourage participation in the picketing then our legal system is more F'ed up than I thought.

It's against the railway labor act, when you are in status quo, mediation you can not strike, sick out, wd cat strikes, or overtime bans, it's called self help union will get sued! If you look at American Airlines history the pilots did a sick out over Reno Air and ALPA was sued! Unfortunately the RLA cuts both ways !

 

[1AA]

Wasn't saying you did no offense, I was just responding to what Swamt comment was, what you guys do is your business, people where we are got some stupid advice and put flyers out about not working O/T, were warned to stop, didn't take it seriously and were fired and sued for self help! I hate to see anyone get fired for stupidity! You guys have your own issues, so again no offense !

I was just making a general reply or comment on the issue. It was not directed at anyone poster.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

I didn't accept the free screwdriver and all the hoopla on AMT DAY. I just came to work and did my job I.A.W. the applicable manuals and rules governing my job title.

I did the same thing. The guy next to me just loved his nice new shiny red white and blue screwdriver emblazoned with AA AMT Day, but wouldn't touch any food. How pathetic we are!

 

[AA89]

It's against the railway labor act, when you are in status quo, mediation you can not strike, sick out, wd cat strikes, or overtime bans, it's called self help union will get sued! If you look at American Airlines history the pilots did a sick out over Reno Air and ALPA was sued! Unfortunately the RLA cuts both ways !

Yessir I'm aware of that as the pilots were sued for an illegal job action but the judgement was later forgiven by the company. There will be enough guys take overtime. Trust me.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Make management white slip for overtime then. As far as not picketing "cuz it won't help" . Get off your ass for once. The pilots, FAs, gate/ticket agents and SWA AMTs supported the picket at DFW. 40 guys from Tulsa and about 15 from AUS showed up. Some worked the night before and had to be back at work for the midnight shift that night. No damn excuse !!

So what happened after the Dallas picket. It didn't do a damn thing but make somebody brother a lot of money for the signs and tee shirts. AS far as Miami. All the junior people know they are going to be out of a job soon. They will work overtime. When people are told not to picket on company time. They won't go. Hell if they were not allowed to go to the union meeting on shift. They would NEVER go. Remember Miami was the Station that worked with Management and helped screw DFW, ORD and every other station that had work taken away.

 

[TWUBeliever]

I agree we are stuck with this ASS because there are not enough leaders with the will are the want. Most of us are in our 50's. There are a few that are willing to lead but the majority of this membership does not have the will. So we will just compromise and try to ride out the last 3,5,10 years that the majority has. ( The company knows this)
hey weasel I am not bobby gless.

 

[TWUBeliever]

I agree we are stuck with this ASS because there are not enough leaders with the will are the want. Most of us are in our 50's. There are a few that are willing to lead but the majority of this membership does not have the will. So we will just compromise and try to ride out the last 3,5,10 years that the majority has. ( The company knows this)
hey weasel I am not bobby gless.

 

[TWUBeliever]

You're right you're not Bobby Gless, he has class. What the current Int'l did to him should make nothing that's going on now a surprise to anyone. Getting rid of him 4 years ago wasn't the solution to anything. We are more in the dark, have less of a say, never informed and victims of personal agendas now. Most of his adversaries and leaders of the witch hunt to get rid of him did a great job of getting us leadership that doesn't even represent our interests and most were from JFK his own station out of pure jealousy and revenge by a special few. He didn't get to be a father to his kids for years and he and his wife didn't survive this. I hope all of you feel good about yourselves both as members who threw away probably one of the most knowledgeable people I've known in my 30 years seniority and what you cost him personally and he's at JFK with a great shift doing his job like none of it ever happened and one of the best AMT's in NY before and after his union career.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

OT is a personal choice and white slipping is a last resort by management because what good is forcing someone to be at work when they made clear they didn't want to be there?

Is it white slipping or white carding? I was told it was white carding. Not that it matters I am just curious.

 

[TWUBeliever]

You're right you're not Bobby Gless, he has class. What the current Int'l did to him should make nothing that's going on now a surprise to anyone. Getting rid of him 4 years ago wasn't the solution to anything. We are more in the dark, have less of a say, never informed and victims of personal agendas now. Most of his adversaries and leaders of the witch hunt to get rid of him did a great job of getting us leadership that doesn't even represent our interests and most were from JFK his own station out of pure jealousy and revenge by a special few. He didn't get to be a father to his kids for years and he and his wife didn't survive this. I hope all of you feel good about yourselves both as members who threw away probably one of the most knowledgeable people I've known in my 30 years seniority and what you cost him personally.

Actually I think there were just too many straws that broke the camels back IMO for some to just stay on the sidelines any longer. The IBT, a CWA alliance and the final straw the IAM Association. So Jim was informed this was coming and his time was up. And had team Lombardo lost many that ran and supported him would have been ousted back to where they started. Some took a big leap to support team Lombardo even publicly.

Jim Little knew his support was lost among the delegates so a ticket was hastily put together with International VP Joesph Gordon placed at the top of the ticket to see if it would work and others could keep their positions and continue the initiatives Little had built. They did have two supporters in the AA TWU in Presidents Sidney Jimenez out of Local 568 and Darrin Pierce out of Local 513. There tag line being basically "Do you want a Bus or Rail guy back in control of the TWU"

During Gordon's campaign one guy on the ticket was offered an organizing position on Lombardo's team if they won and he then bailed on the ticket again maybe seeing the writing on the wall for their chances at success.

Team Gordon then quietly disappeared. They were a no show at the Convention and no letter of their concession and thanks to their supporters for both support and donations to the cause was ever put out by that team.

After Team Lombardo was sworn in as you may not completely know the bloodletting began. In particular familiar names to those of us at AA like Tim Gillespie, Bobby Gless and Don Videtech and others were told their services were no longer needed. (Putting it politely)

HOW DO you see the long-term goal of rebuilding the union in relation to the union elections, and what has your role been?

JOHN SAMUELSON [of TBOU] is the best candidate for president. I was approached by half a dozen people to run with them, at the top, to form a slate. But John's the only person who talked about rebuilding the union from the ground up. Everyone else just said, "Let's put together a slate, and run and take these other people out."

It's not about that in Local 100. Anybody who's thinking that this union doesn't need to be rebuilt from the bottom up is fooling themselves.



https://socialistworker.org/2009/05/15/taking-back-the-twu

 

[TWUBeliever]

Samuelson best person for the job really ? How about worst ? Rebuild yes I agree there from the shattering of the last 4 years. He is an embarrassment physically to be representing this union to the media, he's an egotistical power obsessed bully ruler not a leader. Things worse than ever ever before and will continue this downward spiral until these guys are gone

 

[1AA]

You know what's sad?
The greediness of the association over the needs of the membership. At anytime Samuelsen can put a request in writing to get out of the Association. Even if the IAM refuses at least he shows good face with the TWU's members. The IAM leadership is a joke. They care only about saving their asses and union dues. Oh and I forgot one more thing. The financial survival of the IAMPF. Even though the IAM is 50% of the Association, the TWU outnumbers them at least 2 to 1 if not more. I put blame on all parties for lying to its members about this disastrous association which it's only intention is to preserve union dues to both unions, the AFL-CIO and the IAMPF. I really don't see any strong effort to get a JCBA.