AFA press release. Unhealthy to fly US

[FrugalFlyer]

"Faced with the choice to fly sick or pay the bills and feed the kids, flight attendants are forced to fly sick," said Mollie McCarthy, AFA US Airways PHL Local Council President. "The flying public deserves to know that US Airways management is willing to risk the health of its passengers and crew to save a few bucks."

Hmmmmm, whats wrong with the first sentence: Faced with the CHOICE, ....... are FORCED to ....."
You can''t have it both ways! You either have a choice to do or not do something or you are forced to do or not do something.

Maybe I''m too old fashioned, but if I''m sick, I do not go to work (or back to work) until I am healthy. Yes, there are bills to pay, but to me my health is more important than the increase in the balance I may be carrying on a credit card at the end of the month.

 

[LavMan]

Frugal, the bite is there, the workers like myself are tired of getting poked with the stick. This company does not realize the greatest asset they have is the employees, thru all the gloom and doom we have performed above and beyond and kept US Airways in the top tier of the DOT rankings, but enough is enough, I was their last night and saw the employees reaction and the reaction of my coworkers to the company attempt to farm out the airbus overhaul.

The line has been drawn in the sand.

 

[FrugalFlyer]

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On 6/4/2003 7:24:22 PM LavMan wrote:

Frugal, the bite is there, the workers like myself are tired of getting poked with the stick.  This company does not realize the greatest asset they have is the employees, thru all the gloom and doom we have performed above and beyond and kept US Airways in the top tier of the DOT rankings, but enough is enough, I was their last night and saw the employees reaction and the reaction of my coworkers to the company attempt to farm out the airbus overhaul.

The line has been drawn in the sand.
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LavMan,
While I do not doubt that the bite is there as far as many employees are concerned, I just don''t think the union that represents you has the bite. Sure, they have bark, but no bite. Most of the time between management-union squabbles, the union folds (gives up/compromises) too easily but then tries to convince its members (employees) otherwise.
With regards to the Airbus overhaul being outsourced, I believe that the company should not be allowed to do it - according to your contract (correct me if I''m mistaken). But I guess they do want to try (poke the dog with the stick, if you will). I''m actually curious whether this time management will be ''bitten'', or if they will try another ''poke'' later.
Good luck.

 

[wench]

Frugal,
How would you like to work for a company who only "get their way by whineing like a sppoiled rich kid",and threatening the employees with "Liquidation" and if you don''t give in to us we''ll do this and that"!

I did NOT VOTE FOR ANY OF THE UNION CONCESSIONS>

Each employee must do what they feel is best.

I''ve been with this shambles of an airline for 20 yrs coming up-and I have to much invested to quit.

Young Punk Seagull, has no tact, IS NOT EMPLOYEE Friendly,
HAS NO ETHICS same a WOLFMAN and what else would you like to hear?
I do not sugar coat things and...do ya wanna know how I really feel?

 

[FrugalFlyer]

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On 6/4/2003 7:43:35 PM golden1 wrote:
Frugal,

How would you like to work for a company who only "get their way by whineing like a sppoiled rich kid",and threatening the employees with "Liquidation" and if you don''t give in to us we''ll do this and that"!
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The only thing I am sure of is that if I''m sick, I would not go to work until I am well, even if it means a loss of income or increase in debt, my health is more important to me.

Now if I enjoy the work I do but the compnay I work for makes working there hell, then I either go work for a competitor or get a different job. I know, easier said than done.

Other than that I don''t know. I just don''t think picketing will improve much for you. Most of the people will just walk by. Majority of those that do stop by will not care and/or make a mental note of not doing business (flying) with a company that has bad emlpoyee-management relations. And that will not help your situation. But good luck anyways.

 

[LavMan]

The IAM m&r leadership had one obstacle in the way preventing the bite, it now seems this person is on board with the rest and is fed up like the rest of us, so the dog is foaming at the mouth waiting to bite. It is time to be proactive instead of reactive and show this bunch of labor unfriendly so called executives that we are still here.

Yes our contract scope language does give us the exclustivity of the overhaul for the Airbii. You can go back to the DC-9, MD-80, 737-200/300/400, the 757, 767 and the 330, every plane was a new fleet type at one point or another and we always did the overhaul and we will on the airbii one way or another.

 

[REACC1]

Getting people to quit is probably what they are shooting for. They don''t want loyalty any more. To them, right now, it costs too much. It makes it extremely difficult to put your heart and soul into it. Aw, they probably dont need to be in there anyway.

 

[wench]

Pb,for your info it's not my problem.

My attitude has graduated over the past few years when this company started going down the tubes.

At the beginning of this year, I enrolled in classes to get my property license, so I am giving my work hours away, and I can do my 'other'business on the side.

As heard at a hanger meeting from the "seagull", this was mentioned to the employees,"do not let this be your career"!

Smart thing said from a CEO..huh?

Wake up, employees do not moan and complain for NOthing!

At one time making a "Good BUCK", YOU COULD tolerate it.
Now with a -$7.00 PAY CUT WHILE BONUS'S ARE HANDED OUT,and employees are furloughed back and forth,planes being repainted,how the heck would you feel?

Opinions are LIKE A NOSE-Everyone Has one!

Howard Stern could run this airline better then the mental midgets who are in Fort Fumble!

 

[KCFlyer]

You know, the one thing that the AFA left out was that it''s pretty much unhealthy to fly ANY airline these days...and not because an FA decided to fly sick, but because of the customers who choose to fly sick in order to avoid having to pay change fees and penalties that are part of the fare rules for the ticket they bought.

 

[wench]

pineyBob
Many people dis-like Howard Stern-simply since he speaks the truth-as Bill O''Reilly does..

2 men after me heart..

I''d love to see both men engage a dignified conversation with the "seagull".

Davey boy would be backed into a corner so fast he''d have to break to change his boxers!

Food for thought!

 

[firstamendment]

Pitbull

I would publicly like to apologize to you for ill feelings I had towards you in the past. I saw you as a loud mouthed trouble maker and I now realize how much we f/a''s NEED aggressive leaders. This mangement team will tell labor how wonderful they are and then make a layoff announcement within 24 hours...heartless. This group has an "it''s not enough" mentality that will not stop. How much IS enough? This team of know-it-alls has done nothing to increase revenue. They truely believe they can shrink us into profitability. We all know that doesn''t work in this industry. What sickens me is the notion managment has that dictates that if we threaten labor enough, they will give us everything we want. I say enough is enough. If this is the way the remaining 29,000 employees are going to be treated for the rest of the life of this company, shut it down now. Meanwhile, we continue to shrink flights, cut service, reduce staffing and don''t forget how nasty the aircraft have become. How many complaints must be posted on this board about the peeling paint on our aircraft before something is done? I guess when all you care about are numbers, what the hell do you care about alittle peeling paint?

So Pitbull you keep the heat on. And please. for those inclined to say "well if you don''t like it" bullsh**, its not about that. It''s about bullies. Anyway, why would management care about us. SAeen the Attache'' mag route map? Soon, UAL will fly more on that map then U. And just wait until Star begins.

 

[Fly]

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On 6/5/2003 11:01:43 AM firstamendment wrote:

Soon, UAL will fly more on that map then U. And just wait until Star begins.

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Ahem......they already do! They have been for years, that''s why UAL is the 2nd biggest and U is 6th.​

 

[CLTBWIDAYSYR]

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On 6/5/2003 139 PM Fly wrote:

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On 6/5/2003 11:01:43 AM firstamendment wrote:

Soon, UAL will fly more on that map then U. And just wait until Star begins.

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Ahem......they already do! They have been for years, that''s why UAL is the 2nd biggest and U is 6th.​

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Fly, I''m pretty sure Firstamendment is refering to flying of the recent past and future. As we get smaller, UAL and Star will get more and more of our cities as we simply drift into a really big US Airways Express. And by the way, we''re the seventh biggest, not sixth.

 

[PITbull]

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On 6/4/2003 8:15:08 PM FrugalFlyer wrote:

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On 6/4/2003 7:24:22 PM LavMan wrote:

Frugal, the bite is there, the workers like myself are tired of getting poked with the stick.  This company does not realize the greatest asset they have is the employees, thru all the gloom and doom we have performed above and beyond and kept US Airways in the top tier of the DOT rankings, but enough is enough, I was their last night and saw the employees reaction and the reaction of my coworkers to the company attempt to farm out the airbus overhaul.

The line has been drawn in the sand.
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LavMan,
While I do not doubt that the bite is there as far as many employees are concerned, I just don''t think the union that represents you has the bite. Sure, they have bark, but no bite. Most of the time between management-union squabbles, the union folds (gives up/compromises) too easily but then tries to convince its members (employees) otherwise.
With regards to the Airbus overhaul being outsourced, I believe that the company should not be allowed to do it - according to your contract (correct me if I''m mistaken). But I guess they do want to try (poke the dog with the stick, if you will). I''m actually curious whether this time management will be ''bitten'', or if they will try another ''poke'' later.
Good luck.


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Frugal,

I am not sure you understand what a Union is...I can tell you what it''s not...it''s not about 5 or 10 union leaders....the unions ARE the members. No management want to hear the same retorhic from the same leaders whine and complain. They need to hear from the MEMBERSHIP who ARE the UNION. It takes their envolvement in every issue and every dispute.

 

[PITbull]

FirstAmendment,

Thanks much for your words of support. But everything I support is soley driven by the membership. If they don''t want to picket for the sick policy violation or the 5%, I would back away. This IS what the membership wants and needs. These issues are no longer about Labor and management or Labor relations, the issues are about human suffering, and injustices in the work place. I will not be silent until there is change. And who gages that change are the employees.